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To tell these people to bugger off....

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mummalish · 14/03/2010 17:08

My dh has some friends who come from another country. They are a couple, I have to admit that I don't know them very well, they were his friends pre-me and baby. He sees them every now and then. They are pleasant enough, quite friendly actually.

Anyhow, they have just had a new baby and we were invited around, was very pleased to be invited and looked forward to going.

They had some other friends there, who were also from the same country. (DH and I are from England). The lot of them could not stop slagging England off, and I felt quite cross about it, as this is where I was born, this is where I live, this is where my children will live and grow up. I quite like England, it's not perfect, but bloody hell, it's home.

These people mingle mainly with people from their own country, they try to recreate their own country here (fair enough). But they seem to hate it here, the following things seem to be a common source of complaint:

The British in general, their bad attitudes, lack of work ethic, lack of sense of humour, etc

The children, fat, lazy, rude.

The schools, no pride in uniforms, not enough sport etc.

The parenting: Giving children too many options, making them "spoiled", etc

The food: all imported, tasteless fruit etc.

The weather: Rubbish

The young women: Slags, the blokes drink too much, are not as beautiful, handsome and fun and sporty like people from their country.

But, they seem quite happy to live here and earn pounds, use the NHS, (which they complain about too). They quite happily travel around Europe, go skiing, and generally make the most of being in Europe. Although their "real" holidays are when they go "home" every year.

AIBU to have felt so cross when they were slagging off our country right in front of me, as if I should feel this way too? Even if I did feel this way, it's like someone shouting at your child, it's ok if I do it, but don't want a stranger to do it.

Still fuming....

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sarah293 · 14/03/2010 18:19

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Nemofish · 14/03/2010 18:24

Friend of mine recently quipped:
"Slagging off Britain again? Sorry I couldn't quite hear you over the sound of our free healthcare..." Made me

I am from Canada orignally, I love this country especially the North, for it's breathtaking beauty, it's liberal tradition of fairness and justice (state appointed solictors, fair trials, lack of human rights violations in gaols) the ethics and moral of the police force (by and large) for instance they don't often give you a kicking for looking at them funny, unlike some other parts of Europe, freedom of the press, history, rich culture, free education, state housing and believe it or not our education system is very well respected in other parts of the world!

Britain does seem to believe in helping the less able and the vulnerable (have worked in disability services for years and seen huge improvements).

I think that we set ourselves very high, idealistic standards in this country and are merciless when our system doesn't deliver - rightly so as it keeps our politicians and civil servants in a less secure frame of mind than they might otherwise be.

Christ I'm gonna get flamed aren't I...

YanknCock · 14/03/2010 18:24

Fairly rude. After being here 7.5 years and getting UK citizenship, I feel like I've got a right to criticize the services I pay for and use as much as British people. However, what you're describing sounds like an overall slating of country and culture, and I don't think you'd have been out of line to query why on earth they are here if they feel that way.

I don't meet up with lots of Americans any more because I don't like the inevitable bitching session that ensues (I suspect it is quite common with any expat group anywhere). There are things about both countries that are shite.

MadamDeathstare · 14/03/2010 18:30

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tethersend · 14/03/2010 18:35

I wouldn't dare slag off Americans.

They've all got guns.

myfaceisatomato · 14/03/2010 18:36

Bet I can guess where they're from. We have acquaintances like this - no-one minds a debate or the occasional comment, but when it just goes on ... and on ... and on ....

What's that joke about the 'plane not stopping whining when it reaches Heathrow?

Alouiseg · 14/03/2010 18:37

Tethers I didn't say we should be like the Middle East. It would be nice if people returned the courtesy here.

fitinorfuckoff "when in Rome"

myfaceisatomato · 14/03/2010 18:40

Happens in other countries too though - DH's aunt and uncle have had a second home in Spain for something like 40 years, and now live there for at least 6 months of the year.

When something needs fixing or they need to actually deal with anyone Spanish, what do you think they do? Yep - they wait for the one person in their apartment complex who can speak Spanish to deal with it. Pathetic.

tethersend · 14/03/2010 18:42

When in Rome, do as the Romans...

When in Britain, do as the British- moan about Britain.

Works for me

cakeywakey · 14/03/2010 18:44

I used to work with a South African who had lived all around the world, who told me that, for all it's faults, this is the best country in the world to live in because we have freedom of speech for all.

So, although you friends were being rather rude in giving Britain a good slagging, at least they felt able to .

Seriously though, they wouldn't be here if there wasn't something that this country offers them that their homeland currently doesn't.

They've made the choice to be here so can't hate it all that much - sounds like a well worn diatribe from them. I'd do what other posters have suggested and next time ask them for positive points - that should pull them up short and realise that they're being a bit rude (although I do agree with some of their list!).

bellissima · 14/03/2010 18:45

I was once at a large dinner party where 4 Aussie guests were in the same 'lets slag off Britain' mode, interspersed with how Australia should be a Republic and get rid of the Queen. That at least is their decision to make, but after yet more moaning about how awful it was to live here I asked just why they did. 'Oh easy, we can make more money'. hmmm.

I've lived abroad too, and yes you can easily start missing things and complaining to yourself - but it's when you start moaning to/amongst 'natives' that it becomes simply rude and begs the obvious question of why don't you just get on the next plane. Oh and at least I had health insurance there - I'm more and more coming to the conclusion that we should make it a requirement here. Talking to friends who work in central London hospitals only adds to that conviction.

YanknCock · 14/03/2010 18:50

MadamDeathstare, agree....

ooh, must be time for another sweeping generalisation about Americans on MN....

ah....there you go, tethersend, right on schedule!

tethersend · 14/03/2010 18:54

And they don't get irony

MadamDeathstare · 14/03/2010 19:46

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tethersend · 14/03/2010 19:48

Ah, but were the washing machine and the couch armed, Madam?

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curlimum · 14/03/2010 20:02

ooh, that really annoys me...

im from south africa, have lived here for 5 years now, got brit citizenship and im proud of it! yes, i miss the fab weather back 'home' and yes, there are a lot of things i prefer about SA BUT i do not miss the unstable corrupt government,the crime and the rubbish economy.

I love free healthcare and free schooling, and i love living in a country where i can trust the government to be thinking about its citizen's wellbeing most of the time. and i love that my children will have a secure future here.

what annoys me even more though is when english people slag off their own country - i just want to say "what??!! you dont know how good you got it!!" no-one has to go without a home, food and healthcare in this country. dont take that for granted.

fairycake123 · 14/03/2010 20:19

It's extremely rude. You wouldn't go into someone's home and go "God, your plumbing's shit. I hate your curtains! This food is disgusting, I could do much better. You're ugly" etc etc, and I don't see why it should be any different when you go into someone's homeland. I'm not British but I've lived here for 17 years and it REALLY winds me up when acquaintances and friends from other countries slag the UK off.

RedbinDippers · 14/03/2010 20:24

fairycake 123 - now i know where I've been going wrong.

mummalish · 15/03/2010 07:43

You will never believe it, the Foreign Mum rang last night and asked if she could borrow my travel cot, and what baby sunblock is good, as well as asking me various things to pack for her holiday "back home", as she is, and I quote: "not sure what they have for kids in ". I thought to myself what a hypocrite. She should just stay there, as her baby will more than likely grow up to be big, fat, rude and work shy if they continue to live in England.

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doesntplaywellwithothers · 15/03/2010 08:13

Another American here (though I come to you gun-less...so I'm not a proper American)...

I too have stopped hanging around with other Americans in England, because I get tired of the constant ranting and complaining about England. My DH and DCs are British, I've worked in this country and am now a full time student, and despite 'pulling my weight', I still don't think it's fair to slag off England, particularly to other English people!!!! I understand that it takes a little bit of time to adjust to a new country, and that may be a bit frustrating, but get over it and get used to things!!
Sorry that happened, mummalish...not very nice at all...

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sungirltan · 15/03/2010 08:21

even though the foreign friends' comments are kind of true (although the beauty one is surely a matter of opinion!) it was a very impolite, anti social way to behave.

maybe also different social education/cultural expectations of behaviour?

MrsTittleMouse · 15/03/2010 08:24

We used to live abroad, and we found that the culture shock was quite, well, a shock. It suprised us at the depth of insecurity that it set off to not know how to get a doctor's appointment, or a bank account, or set up a telephone line, or anything else. After a while you get the hang of things and start appreciating the food, the culture, the people and so on.

We saw lots of other British people arrive, and go through the same thing. They often moaned to us, as it is very satisfying to find someone who has had the same problems (and often we were able to help). We found that there was a 3 month cut-off though. Before three months, everyone struggled. Anyone who was still moaning after three months was just a boring whinger who would never really settle. Sounds like your "friends" are just boring whingers.

doesntplaywellwithothers · 15/03/2010 08:27

You're right, Riven...I think it's 'easy' to fall into complaining when one of 'your own' starts. I'm just not into that. Like you in America, I was deeply homesick the first year we lived here, but hated feeling that way so much, I took some initiative and made some changes for myself...I didn't see the point in bitching to other English people about how crap things were. Once I got out from under my unhappiness, I found so many things that I love about living here...and that there are rubbish things about here AND the US...no place is perfect!