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AIBU?

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to think my DD shouldn't have been punished for saying this ?

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spiderpig8 · 07/03/2010 11:24

That her drawing was rubbish ! She takes her art very seriously and rubbed out one side of a butterfly wing and said it was rubbish.The teacher told her that in school they weren't allowed to call their work rubbish and put her name on the board.Actually found this out from the TA.She is 8

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Goober · 07/03/2010 11:30

They shouldn't have said it.

Go in, have a moan.

faddle · 07/03/2010 11:32

So they dont want her to appraise her own work and decide she could improve, as its negative etc.
But then they proceed to tell her off and put her name on the board......... and that is somehow not negative?

I'm sure there is probably a logical explanation, but from where I'm standing it sounds like a load of twaddle.

Reallytired · 07/03/2010 11:39

Depends, was it individual work or was it group work?

Maybe she said that another child's work was rubbish. There is usually a logical explanation.

By all means talk to the teacher, but you might find that your child is not giving you all the details of the story.

EcoMouse · 07/03/2010 11:41

That doesn't sound logical

YANBU

seeker · 07/03/2010 11:42

I think it is very unlikely that this is the full story. I would go in ad ask what happened - but I would tread carefully until I was sure!

bernadetteoflourdes · 07/03/2010 12:12

no faddle defo no logic there. This teacher criticises this little girl for criticising HER OWN WORK and then punishes the little gir.[l she (the teacher )sounds lie a complete twat. Good art teachers encourage stdents to critique their own work. Mind you an explanation is needed was she annoyed about throwing the paper away. Art brings out the passion in us and if the TA told the op she must have thought the teacher was over reacting and if that is the case all I can say is quelle biche

nickschick · 07/03/2010 12:15

Thats not right!!!

surely if your dd said that the TA would say 'I think its very pretty youve used lovely colours why do you think its not your best work',then offer to help her find a way to improve it or offer more materials to try again or even to bluntly say -dont be daft art is something you are absolutely fab at and I think its great.

Id write the T.As name in big letters on that board lol

bernadetteoflourdes · 07/03/2010 12:17

Have concentrated a bit more and noted that she rubbed it out and used that dreaded swear word "rubbish" this woman should NOT be teaching children. End of >

TheFirstLady · 07/03/2010 12:19

I would ask the teacher for an explanation. Did the initial information come from your DD or from the TA? In most schools the TA would not be allowed to discuss an incident like that with a parent; the procedure would be to refer the parent to the class teacher.

TheFirstLady · 07/03/2010 12:21

BoL - it was the OP's DD who rubbed her own work out and said it was rubbish. The issue is that the teacher told her off for doing this and put her name on the board.

claig · 07/03/2010 12:21

The teacher put a lot of effort into the drawing and probably didn't take too kindly to your daughter's frank appraisal of it
"That her drawing was rubbish ! She takes her art very seriously".
I think the teacher should be big enough to be able to take some criticism.

Seriously, though, your DD should not have been punished. This is a typical mollycoddling approach, that is of no real help to the child. Your DD knows what is good and bad, and she can only improve by having high standards and acknowledging what is bad.

Goblinchild · 07/03/2010 12:24

I'd go and ask the teacher for an explanation. That does not mean I disagree with the child's version of events, just that another view of the same event may give an alternative interpretation.
I'd also wonder why the TA is telling the mother, rather than the line manager.

bernadetteoflourdes · 07/03/2010 12:26

Er yes I did get that much firstlady if facts are correct the teacher is a knob. I know th edd criticised her own work and she in turn (the dd) was criticised and PUNISHED herself . I have not been on the sherry yet am I missing something?

bernadetteoflourdes · 07/03/2010 12:29

Now Claig is saying the teacher did the dd's drawing and am really

claig · 07/03/2010 12:34

I originally thought that the teacher's reaction could only have been due to the DD criticising the work of the teacher. But this may have been because I have started on the sherry early, because there is a lot of it left to get through.

TheFirstLady · 07/03/2010 12:35

Sorry, BoL. I misunderstood what you meant because of the way you phrased your first sentance. But I think it is a bit of an overreaction to say that the teacher 'is a knob and should not be teaching children' without knowing exactly what happened.

bernadetteoflourdes · 07/03/2010 12:36

oh alright claig i'll have another if you will. Cheers!

Goblinchild · 07/03/2010 12:40

Could be that the teacher had tried being encouraging and positive, but the child was feeling stubborn and bolshie and refusing to move on (parent hat on here, thinking of DD and homework when she was 8)
So after the coaxing, and the ' no, it's fine, let's try and do this bit now' and getting nowhere, the teacher decided to use the school discipline strategies.
Or she might me a miserable bag who dislikes your child. Go and ask what happened.

bernadetteoflourdes · 07/03/2010 12:45

thanks First lady I would want to check all facts too if I was the op. But my DSIL is teacher training at the mo and says there is a school of thought (srry pun) that is v. popular with some in that you use no negative words with children about their work and encourage them in the same way in fact she says that some fairly harmless words are taboo and it affects the child's self esteem. Dsil says that this is a real "hot potato" issue at the mo. Hence if op has her facts straight I could well believe it. Not all teachers/docs/MPs are perfect and if it IS true the teacher is a knob and a

bernadetteoflourdes · 07/03/2010 12:49

And shock/horror not all dc's are perfect and do tell petit porkies too, but I am puzzled coz the teaching assistant chose to tel the op so she must have thought it an over reaction, this is the angle from which I am approaching it (and have a fine art degree so am v.worried if this is how Art is being taught.)

claig · 07/03/2010 12:50

I agree with BOL, this looks like another example of the prevailing attitude
"The teacher told her that in school they weren't allowed to call their work rubbish and put her name on the board".
Nobody is allowed to make a negative assessment, everything deserves a star. This is a dishonest approach that works against children's interests in the long run. It means that they start thinking that second best is sufficient.

Feenie · 07/03/2010 12:54

I am horrified by the language used towards teachers on this thread (and others), particularly when the full story isn't known. I wouldn't dream of calling parents 'twats' and 'knobs' on any kind of forum.

TheFirstLady · 07/03/2010 12:57

BoL - I am intrigued by the TA's role in this. I would like to know just WHY she decided to tell the OP about the incident?

claig · 07/03/2010 12:58

Feenie, I think it is only used in AIBU for emphasis and comic effect. There are many threads where parents etc. are also called the same and worse.

claig · 07/03/2010 13:02

I like berandetteoflourdes posts, they are usually guaranteed to get you cracking up, particularly when she starts laying into Gordon Brown and the advisability of his doing a duet with Subo, Andy Burnham and the rest of the crowd.

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