To wonder why there are always more disabled spaces than mother&baby spaces in car parks?

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In places like Waitrose, John Lewis, etc. Surely there are more mothers with little children out there than disabled people?

I can see that mother and baby spaces are a good idea, to allow space to open the doors, but I fail to understand why they need to be near the doors of the supermarket! I agree that you don't want to cross the road but right in a far corner, on the same side wouldn't be a problem. Spaces for the disabled are a necessity-spaces for mothers and babies are just a courtesy.They didn't exist when mine were small and we managed.

I think that a change of policy could be the new government initiative to fight obesity, air pollution and poor exercise regimes.
Ban P&C places.
Then there will be exercise, better child control by parents, less food wastage and reduced emissions from vehicles and parents. The problem of of our children having potentially shorter lifespans than us will be sorted.
We had no car and two children for a long time, my youngest was three when we acquired a car.
Disabled places are for those that need them, not those that merely want to be saved a bit of faff and organisation.

When I had a baby and a 2 yr old there were no computers, no home delivery, no parent and child parking...I just managed - as did everyone else. I wouldn't have dreamt of taking a disabled space - there were far fewer of them around then.

The only people who really need dedicated parking spaces are those who are disabled.

I work in a large hospital that only provides about dozen "disabled" spaces, AND they are not free. That really is disgraceful.

And....if you really cannot control your child, put them on reins. It is normal for small children to run about and have no road sense.

However did we cope?

I tell you what, you take my uncle out in our WAV, and YOU try getting the rear ramp down in a normal bay when inconsiderate people who have NO RIGHT to be there, have taken all the disabled bays.

You can't do it.

And yes, having a wheelchair isn't the ONLY way to tell if someone's disabled. I'm visually impaired, registered disabled, but you wouldn't tell by looking at me. And the number of dodgy looks I get getting onto buses with my bus pass in UNREAL!

So, YABVU, disabled bays are a right, P&T bays, a helpful thing I'm sure, but not a right.

Well, really disabled people don't need to park at John Lewis because too many perfectly able bodied people jump ahead in the lift anyway. Sheesh, fancy thinking someone who can't walk well is more needy than a mother shopping with a baby?

TBH people with disabilities are a but grabby anyway what with their benefits and spaces, I bet half of them could run a marathon.

I say remove all the disabled bays and then at least I can use the toilets at these malls.

Wow, are people really this lazy and selfish? I don't drive, if I need to go to the supermarket (I rarely do, I get most of my groceries delivered) I get the bus or, horror of horrors, walk. If it is such a huge hardship to park in an ordinary space, and the supermarket is too far to walk to then park somewhere else further from the store, get off your lazy arses and walk. And while you're at it you can think about how fucking lucky you are to be able to walk at all.

LOL at the shock horror of disabled people having new cars

because of course, anyone who is disabled must be poor and downtrodden

in fact, why don't we put bells round their necks then even if it's not a physical disability, we will all be able to tell

ffs

ban the P&C parking I say. Ridiculous concept.

Quite, I really find the wheelchair so unattractive.

Actually - a good half hour's walk with a toddler and pram to do the shopping 5 times a week knocked the "post-baby" weight off, and tired the toddler out beautifully!!

It strikes me that it wasn't such a bad thing

I do think for those talking about the good old days before P&C spaces, they were the same days before car seats and MASSIVE cars. Without P&C spaces I would have to take two spaces to make sure I could get out of my car!!!!

You folk ramming your four/five children in the back seat!!

Bit more practicing of PSHCE and citizenship skill by parents in the general population, maybe I'd have more time to teach reedin, ritin and rifmatic. And our PE sessions might have a bit more pace and vigour rather than watching the children run for a bit then collapse in a breathless heap. Or be able to take them on an outing with a brisk walk there and back without needing medivac facilities. It's sad when a middle-aged woman is fitter than a 10 year old.
One of the schools I taught in, reception bought little space hoppers and mini bikes to strengthen the legs and co ordination of 4 year olds who just hadn't walked enough.

foxinsocks, it's worse when they don't even have the decency to look disabled.

boden wheelchairs....

probably if the PR was good enough!!

CAN I JUST ANNOUNCE, THAT IN APRIL, DH DISABLED BADGE EXPIRES AND HE WONT BE RENEWING IT!!!!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOO

actually I am now wondering about Waitrose and John Lewis in the title...
Perhaps we are supposed to be shopping a aldi and primark