To wonder why there are always more disabled spaces than mother&baby spaces in car parks?

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In places like Waitrose, John Lewis, etc. Surely there are more mothers with little children out there than disabled people?

We can do it in oirs even factoring in both my huge arse and the width of our spacewagon.

(anr the person with the P&T sapce might just be me, having 2 SN kids doesn't mean ds4 loses his entitlement to a P&T space)

muttonchop - don't remember anyone saying disability is a lifestyle choice. No one wants to take anything away from you or is resentful of your right to disabled parking,only that we would like our own shopping experiences to be nicer. Yes, we accept that it can be hard to be out and about with a disabled child, but it can also be difficult in tight parking spaces when you have to deal with car seats etc.It is not about who has it worse, I think it's obvious but it is about everyone having what they need to make the shopping exp better

The difficulty you experience is incomparable with the difficulty of having a disability and/or a child with a disability. It's not about it being "nicer" at all. By comparing the two you are only going to show your ignorance of disabilities and annoy people.

I haven't seen any M & B spaces here in Sydney. Everyone drives ridiculously large 4 x 4's (apart from us in our banger). No one moans. Oh and there's a baby boom over here. I've never seen so many under 2's in my life and none of them run under cars.

Lordy, am I expecting fighting mothers and unruly kids in the local sainsburys carpark when I move back?

NEVER compare babies with disabled people, its unbelievably insulting.

This is a bonkers thread.

Actually Salou it IS about who has it worse - parents with disabled DCs have a much harder time out and about than people in tight parking spaces. Diddums!

our own shopping experience to be nicer - - it's a trip to sodding tescos.

If someone hasnt mentioned it already I think there should be more P&T parking spaces, but right at the end of the car park.
I dont care how far I have to walk with the pushchair, but I cannot get ds2 out of the back of my car (3 door but with a suicide door so both open in opposite directions) if someone parks to close, and 9 times out of 10 some twat will park right up along side me and then Im stuck.

If they were further away then people would be less inclined to abuse them and it would leave more space for disabled drivers closer to the entrance, which is often whats needed, space and proximity to shop

rainbowinthesky- I am well aware that having a disabled child is harder than parking in a tight space. However I do not see a reason why a disabled adult cannot park in a disabled bay. They are designed to meet the needs of those who need them. If there is a legitimate reason to park in a P&T space, then fine, but I do not believe this to always be the case. I think I have said that the 2 are not comparable.
muttonchop - did you actually read what I said?
I think a lot of the problem is that people park in p&t spaces who could,quite easily park elsewhere. These same people wouldn't dream of parking in a disabled bay. This creates the illusion that there are not enough p&t spaces. If everyone used the spaces they were intended to use then everyone would be happy.

Excuse me for wanting my shopping trips to be nicer rainbowinthesky. And no, I don't want this to be at the expense of disabled people.There really is room for both

Yes I'm afraid I did read it. Unfortunately for my blood pressure.

did I say that having atight parking space is just as hard as having a disabled child? No
Did I say disabled people shouldn't have spaces near the door or that these spaces should be reduced? No

I am quite happy to park further away and walk.
Do I think disabled adults with no children should use spaces allocated to them if there is a choice of spaces and no need to use p&c? Yes
Do I think that some of this problem is caused by people lending badges to family members/friends?Yes
I am very sad that so many people with disabled children have a hard time getting badges that they need.Their lives should be made easier,but I do see it as unconnected to people also having p&c spaces. Have already stated that if no disabled space available, then of course P&C should be used by disabled people. Sorry you find these opinions so offensive and think we should just agree to disagree as there is no resolution to this and we appear to be going round in circles

Ah... those pesky disabled people and their sneaky ways....??????
Before M & B spaces people still went shopping and I don't remember my mum having a breakdown with 4 kids until we were INSIDE the supermarket.
Like someone else mentioned on here - having a baby is YOUR choice, being disabled is not.

can we just this thread?

Its making me yawn.

am quite disapoointed that I am the only one that see's alll these parents and children trapped in their car due to tiny spaces. I mean honestly people open your eyes to their suffering!!

Their little tearstained faces crushed against the windows...

move to oz. they have wide spaces for disabled people but they are not always nearest to the entrance. this also happens with parent and toddler spaces.. this means that disable and parent spaces are used by those who need it. works well. uk should try it

oh and those people who say that 20 years ago parents survived didn't have to get children into child seats that we now have to by law get kids into!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so of course it was easier then!!!!!!!

OP - YAB ridculously U.

brightongirl - ha, the sticks here beating Sydney? Our newish Coles does have P&T spaces BUT they ARE at the far end of the carpark (where the Disabled spaces also are) - and TBH bloody dangerous if you don't spot the lift is right near them (it's an underground carpark). The slightly bizarre thing about that is that there is a moving ramp that goes up from the carpark to the shopping centre, but I guess they don't want pushchairs and wheelchairs using that for saftey reasons.

I always park in the normal spaces near the door and take DS (2) up the moving ramp - he likes it better than the lift.

How long ago was the legislation introduced that meant DC had to be in car seats? Because I think it is a tad unreasonable to mention that 20y ago our mums coped without P&T spaces etc. if they didn't have to hoick a baby carseat out the back door as well. There is no doubt that P&T spaces do make life easier when carting around tiny babies in carseats - but that STILL doesn't mean they should have anything like equal priority with Disabled spaces.

x-posted with you ben5!

my eldest is 18 and car seats had been around for quite some time not a legal requirement but most parents used them we managed without p&t spaces it does make life easier wish they'd been around earlier for my second child as he is a danger and would of made it easier.but they dont need to be near doors like the disabled bays do.

Thumb - our local Woolies has about 20 spaces, which have continual queues, so we always end up parking in a street nearby. Obviously you are way ahead of us!!!

Doesn't bother me though. DD knows not to run across roads. My biggest fear is when she reaches the sweet aisle and starts unwrapping all the Kinder Eggs.

brightongirl - [smug] we are going to get a new Woolies sometime this year (being built now) with a new carpark too - just to make you more ! Lol at unwrapping the Kinder eggs, DS hasn't been introduced to those yet.

(what you doing up at this hour as well?)