Thrad about a thread and happy todeclare it: 'everyone knows being welfare dependent is morally wrong'. No it'snot, only if you choose that. Otherwise it is luck dependent and

[BethNoireNewNameForPeachy]

luck can't make you morally wrong. It just is.

If your employer goes under, you are not morally wronng.

If your pension plan colapses three years before you retire, you are not morally wrong.

If you are sick,or a carer, or any of a lot of other things- you are not morally wrong.

Passing random judgements in a way that can hurt people is, however, IMO morally wromng.

Please someone tell me why people don't just get that?

And no I don'tcare I broke MN tradition by starting a thread about a thread, first I remember breaking in nigh on a decade and am angry. Arrrrghhhhhhh.

If this gets deleted, so be it.

Context- someone asking for help as their Pws on sickleave and short of income.

Post was pretty much that in the title, OKwillquote- No one wants starvation - ' everyone knows welfare dependency is wrong. Morally, for everyone. ' along with a dig at OP fordaring to ask for advice (it was on an AIBU as a rant about not getting help but really, it rapidly becmae a thread offering advice)

Onager- it used to be standard to suggest topeople being nasty that if they could find a way totake the disability then they could have the benefits to and welcome but people minsinterpreted that as wishing SN on their kids so nobody does it any mroe. Still a valid point,though.

Calming down now. Mn is making me feeljudged alot these days though, which is angry-making when there's sod all I can do about it.

Oh and at teh risk of the whole MN carers thing going the way of MN widows a few years back,I did delibeartely point out several other reasons first, don'twant peoplethinking I assume a moral highground IYKWIM,I don't by any stretch.

I think that it would be healthy for everyone to have to spend a month of their lives on 'benefits' to see what it was like.
Oh, and have to have the normal struggle to get what they are entitled to.

Come to think of it one of my 'friends' thinks I am wrong to spend the child benefit on food, outings, DVDs etc.

I'm astounded reading this thread... How dare people judge those receiving benefits? Some compassion would be more appropriate.

Sorry, this kind of thing makes my blood boil!

Most people will have struggled at some point in their lives. I was a skint student for 5 years and then on unemployment benefit for a year.

Very few people have only ever known financial comfort - most will know exactly how it feels to dread the next bill.

We've ben comfortable (aka knowing where the rent is coming fro)and working poor as it was pre-TC's: I do understand why people in a tough place feel like they have grabbed at the short straw.

But I don't think they have- when we were both working for pennies we had a mortgage, and a pension, and promotion was a possibility.

Nobody promotes carers and that'slikely to be mylife even though I am still trying to find solutions,the house went years ago when DH was very ill and couldn't work (was employed but signed off IYKWIM)..... there was a sense of achievement and optimism I don't have now, DH has as he will be fully qualified year after next and and can see a career ahead again.

The super rich tax-dodgers are far more morally repugnant imho.

It does make me wince however, when my disabled sister has to pay for her prescriptions out of her benefits while the alchoholic in her block gets £10 a day in cash to enable him to carry on with his addiction - to me that is dispicable.

Being on benefits as a "lifestyle choice" is morally wrong, but that is (I think/hope) only a tiny minority.

Most people don't have a choice, whether that be for temporary (loss of job/illness etc) or semi-permanent/permanent (carer/disability etc) reasons.

Trouble is the vast majority are in the "don't have a choice" category and they get unfairly "tarred by the same brush" as the "lifestyle choice" category by some people, which isn't fair at all.

Me - I just think there but for the grace of God go I....

YANBU

Thank you betsy

mali that does sound wrong (and I am the last eprson to defend those who actively choose dependence),luckily as we are in Wales that doesn't affect us aseveryone gets it free. A good thing (wellremember the days when we would go without a prescription to ensure the bills got paid) but there are those as usualruining it by insisting on prescriptions for their 25p packofaspirin.Well, I have no evidence but have been told IYSWIM- must remember to categorise it as hearsay in my head!

I have no problem at all paying taxes etc to support people who can't work, but I do have a problem with those who won't! My ex DIL gets incapacity benefit as she claims there's something wrong with her knees and she can't walk.

She has her partner as full time carer, a mobility vehicle and a blue badge and tells the children that she's never going to work (and has never worked in her life!)

She likes animals however, and has done several sponsored walks on behalf of the RSPCA. She came out on foot with us when we took GD out on her new pony and walked uphill quite happily for an hour!

There are genuine people who deserve a better deal than they currently get, and then there are people who take the piss

yanbu
mn should have a topic where people can slag off anyone who is claiming beneifits.
as for morally wrong, I will tell dd who will be on benefits for the rest of her life that.

Older me too but you see, those are not my fault and I don't think its right that I should get the flak for them, I just don't.

In alltruth,there is nobody I know doing that- there just isn't. that doesn'tmean they don'texist of course,just that i don't know anyone.

I spoke to aMum today whose DH just left her as the disability was apparently too much for him to bear and she's looking at having to give up work as a result- there is no childcare for kids with SN here- the only job she could do otherwise would be a TA and as the reason we were chatting is the mass redundancy of the TA's then, well.....

I firmnly beleive that people who deliberately submit fraudulent claims should be tried legally.And the rest of us should be at least not insulted.

Personally, I would not be bothered in the least about anyone claiming any kind of help if it was legitimate.

Unfortunately there is, along with everything else a minority who take the piss and make people feel bitter about supporting those who are perfectly able to support themselves but cannot be arsed.

SGm that'spretty mucht he green Party take on it,a citizen'sincome paid for that way to replace individualpensions,SLA etc (so also funded my massive de-admining the system)

where is linkage to original thread pls? Have done a brief look but cannot find anything. Is it in chat or AIBU or what? Ta

And the well somepeople takethepiss....

somepeople steal but you wouldn'trandomly accost anyone taking something from a shop and shout at them regardless of whether thy paid would you?

It'saprticularly badon ehre atm and I know its becuase peopleare suffering underthe financialclimate and think others get it easy. It's not easy- if it were nobody would work and everyone would want a disabled child, a severely debilitating illness or to have their company go under and their pension pot stolen. Until I see posts begging for that on MN I will take the jealousy as ill informed clap trap.

Its in aibu but not linking.

Peron on original thread was working btw but sick so geting SSP.OOh,the scrounger (not)

ooh bethnoire - are you a very bitter person?

I only said what alot of others would agree with, that it is the pisstakers that get my goat. Not genuine cases.

Not morally wrong. It has always been up to the wealthy(ish) classes to look after the members of society who are less well off. I agree with you OP - anyone can be down on their luck.

Bitter?Sometimes,yes- the first sixty times this cameup Iwasn't,now though......

you can always hide the threads which make you feel bitter.

These are topics which get really heated and if you can't stand the heat....