To think that these are NOT dangerous dogs - see pictures please.

[Vallhala]

Please see the pictures on my profile.

The RSPCA recently raided Rosedene, a West Midlands dog pound, claiming animal welfare act infringements. They killed 3 dogs on site, claiming they were unhandleable, and took the other 56. They will not say where those 56 are now or whether all are still alive. Many of us have asked polite but direct questions on the RSPCAs Facebook page. Not only have all of those questions have been deleted, we have all also been barred from posting any more on the RSPCAs F/B pages.

Rosedene was the council pound and inspected by the local council, which had no issue with it. Conditions were far from perfect BUT all the dogs were well cared for and the staff and volunteers worked hard to place dogs in rescues and not to put them to sleep, including the rescue I work most closely with - and we have no complaints about the condition of dogs received from Rosedene. Staff and volunteers at Rosedene are devastated.

In my experience as a rescue worker it is a remarkable pound that allows volunteers in to help dogs - many would have too much to hide to permit it.

These photos are of 2 of the 3 dogs killed by the RSPCA during their raid, taken just a few days before it happened.

DO THESE LOOK LIKE UNHANDLEABLE DOGS TO YOU?

Agree with Wannabe 100%.

Further, working dogs are usually brought up to be kennelled, from puppyhood. They have never known any different, so being kennelled in itself does not stress them.

Take a family pet, stick it in a tiny kennel like the ones shown at Rosedene, and it almost certainly isn't going to be happy.

We must think of the animals - not our selfish human selves.

Bella, I have already said the kennels at Rosedean were far from ideal, but a dog is unlikely to be there for any prolonged period, is it, seeing as it is a pound and most dogs are destroyed after 7-14 days. I do wonder why the RSPCA inpspect and pass puppy farms with FAR worse conditions than these, where the dogs will be kept for life, or most fo their lives. Hardly int he best interests od the dogs, is it?

wannabe, plenty of breeders keep their dogs kennelled to, our breed rescue keeps rescues kennelled, and if you think that all the dogs destroyedin rescue are not suitable for pet homes, then you're mistaken. Plenty of dogs more than suitable for pet homes are destroyed because there simply aren't enough homes for them, and the public insist on keep buying from puppy farmers and back yard breeder, it usuallu has nothing to do with the dogs themselves.

No point having a go at me cos you're upset at the RSPCA passing puppy farms, Midori. I suggest you take it up with them

You cannot compare working dogs with former pets being kennelled for life in a rescue - that was my point.

I also suspect Wannabe, with her background, is experienced enough to know that there are too many unwanted dogs out there

but we're not talking about kennelling a dog for a period of time are we? we're talking about kennelling a dog for the rest of its life.

In reality the problem should be tackled at source ie if the public didn't keep buying dogs that they weren't able to look after then the rescue centres wouldn't be so full that they either have to turn dogs away or put dogs to sleep in order to make space for other dogs.

But we live in a throw away society that views even animals as commodities to be disposed of as and when their novelty value wears off or when someone decides they can't look after them. I've seen it time and time again even on here. 2I have this puppy and i never knew it would be such hard work, I can't cope with it," being greeted with cries of "I would rehome it, if you can't look after it then rehome it." and that is viewed as perfectly normal, rather than telling people that they have taken on an animal and should be duty-bound to take responsibility for it.

But the fact remains that the public are irresponsible and selfish and keep buying dogs and so the rescue centres are full to capasity. And if all dogs are to be rescued, then sometimes it needs to be considered that some dogs will never be suitable to be rehomed, and in those cases, keeping them locked up in kennels purely to keep to a no-kill policy is not the humane or correct thing to do.

Bella at 'having a go', was I? I was simply pointing out that it is a caseof double standards ont he part of the RSPCA. I have written to them about it before, and know of pople who are campaigning aganist puppy farms take it up with them and they simply couldn't care less. Apparently they wouldn't pass the inspection if they didn'#t meet wlefare standards. I think most fo us are aware of the sort of welfare standards in puppy farms, they are non existent.

wannabee I agree that a large part of the problem is people getting dogs on a whim and part of our society. I have collected a staff x lab puppy this afternoon from someone who got him from the pound (which she thought was a rescue) only four weeks ago. She hadn't realised what a hard task bringing a puppy up can be, and was going to take him back there tomorrow, not realiseing there was a risk of him being PTS. He is here now. Hopefully I can find s suitable home for him once he is trained and neutered, but otherwise here he'll stay.

"Hopefully I can find s suitable
home for him once he is trained and neutered, but otherwise here he'll stay." and do you honestly think that that would be appropriate, to keep a puppy kennelled for the rest of its life? Obviously I realize that's unlikely to happen as puppies are generally more desirable than older dogs anyway, but no-one can argue that a dog that is kept in kennels for five, ten, twelve years has a good life?

Who said anything about kenneling? I am a private dog owner and if the puppy can't be homed suitably, it will stay here living withmy family in the house, just like my other dogs. I don't even own a kennel...