To think that these are NOT dangerous dogs - see pictures please.

[Vallhala]

Please see the pictures on my profile.

The RSPCA recently raided Rosedene, a West Midlands dog pound, claiming animal welfare act infringements. They killed 3 dogs on site, claiming they were unhandleable, and took the other 56. They will not say where those 56 are now or whether all are still alive. Many of us have asked polite but direct questions on the RSPCAs Facebook page. Not only have all of those questions have been deleted, we have all also been barred from posting any more on the RSPCAs F/B pages.

Rosedene was the council pound and inspected by the local council, which had no issue with it. Conditions were far from perfect BUT all the dogs were well cared for and the staff and volunteers worked hard to place dogs in rescues and not to put them to sleep, including the rescue I work most closely with - and we have no complaints about the condition of dogs received from Rosedene. Staff and volunteers at Rosedene are devastated.

In my experience as a rescue worker it is a remarkable pound that allows volunteers in to help dogs - many would have too much to hide to permit it.

These photos are of 2 of the 3 dogs killed by the RSPCA during their raid, taken just a few days before it happened.

DO THESE LOOK LIKE UNHANDLEABLE DOGS TO YOU?

There are too many instances rotties et al, cause great harm, mostly to children. I am quite obviously in the extreme camp but IMnotHO dangerous dogs act should be rewritten, not nearly enough breeds are included and penalties for keeping them are too lenient.
I would move if an animal such as the ones shown on pics, moved to our neighbourhood.
Do not like dogs to put it very mildly. Dad has and always has had hunting dogs, don't mind them much but have minimal contact with the yapping ones, if can be helped.
Was attacked as a child by a large 'blue blooded' boxer. Hate them ever since.

board on the subject

From the pictures they don't look unhandleable, they are being handled. But you cannot tell the full story from a picture.

However killing them on site doesn't sound right. How could they have done a proper assesment on the dogs behavior in such a short space of time?

I'm sitting on the fence wrt to lifers being pts. Our own pound is far from nice. T'is disgusting imo. However, it's the only pound I have been into, so I have nothing to compare it with. And I do believe you when you say that the manager does everything she can to rehome the dogs. She took a lot of time helping me with rehoming my dog. Even coming in on her day off to introduce him to her cat. She didn't have to do that. She could have just told me he wasn't suitable and left him there. I think their problem is lack of funding and lack of volunteers. However despite this lack of funding they still keep the dogs a fortnight, even though the council only pay for a week.

I wouldn't like to see a dog spend the rest of it's life in there. It would be kinder to pts in that scenario. Otoh there is a boarding kennels/independant rescue near us that is amazing. It is where I intend to board my dog, later this year. Any dog would have a great life in that rescue. Possibly a better life than with an inexperienced/lazy owner.

Perhaps more money should be given to rescues to enable them all to have a better standard. Though where we could that money I don't know. Pet food companies perhaps?

FWIW, I don't donate to the RSPCA. I prefer to donate to smaller, independant rescues when I am able to. I give food/blankets to my local vets and I believe that these are shared between a few different rescue centers.

Rollmops, I was bitten by my Uncles Rottie, when he escped his outdoor shed/kennel.

He had been abused as a pup and was agressive when my Uncle got him, but he took him on when the owner was going to shoot him. He had a good(ish) life, with my Uncle, though had to live outdoors in a shed with an enclosure my Uncle built for him. And he would only allow my Uncle to handle him.

I don't hate Rotties. I don't believe that just because this one was agressive, they all are. The Rottie my Uncle brought up from being a pup, never behaved aggressively towards anyone.

Yorkshire Terriers otoh are the work of the devil

OP, are you from Rosedene? and what connection do you have with them?

Have you seen how small the kennels are?

Theres always one isn't there "rotweillers are devil dogs"

And about the RSPCA too, i don't want to be sued!! Lets just say, most of the vets i know and have worked for roll their eyes at the very mention of the RSPCA - lets just say they are very selective about their cases and leave it there.

I am however not in favour of keeping dogs alive at all cost because ultimately the cost is to the dog iteslf - not commenting on this case valhalla not going to look into it - im having a "delicate" week.

Bloody hell MSY it looks like a battery farm

my friend has a rottie - it's the most stupid dog you've ever met... she's gorgeous

Those dogs don't LOOK unhandleable, but a picture doesn't show much

I have to agree with Bella on this one, however I'd wish and hope the methods of being pts were humane rather than shooting them - no need for that unless in dire emergency

Vallhala - can I make a suggestion re. Facebook? If people reading this thread were to make their status something like this:

"(STDG).. would like to know the fate of the 56 dogs removed by the RSPCA from Rosedene rescue centre. She is wonders why they were taken from a centre dedicated to finding good homes for them, and is concerned that they may be unneccessarily put to sleep. Please will you make this your status for part of today, because the RSPCA have so far refused to answer this question."

• then it could spread quite quickly round Facebook and as it would be in people's status updates, the RSPCA wouldn't be able to do anything about it - provided that we made sure it wasn't libellous or abusive, of course.

Would that help?

I used to work for an animal rescue too and am sorry to say that this story does not surprise me at all.
The publics perception of these dogs means that they are the hardest sort of dogs to rehome, a dog doesn't necessarily have to be aggressive to be considered a dangerous dog. Rushing up to someone and jumping up in a friendly way can also be seen by some as threatening and potentially aggressive.
I have also experienced the loop holes to get around the 'no healthy animal is ever PTS' rule, which is what I presume happens to many of these type of dogs in rescue centres.

I have never forgiven the RSPCA, when I asked them for help when I had to take a woman into hospital.
She lived with 4 dogs and about 10 cats. They were ina horrible state. I phoned the RSPCA and they told me in no uncertain terms it was nothing to do with them I should phone the police. I did liase with the police and they informed me that the RSPCA were responsible and it was nothing to do with them either.
When I contacted the RSPCA again they were really rude and bascically didnt give a shit. I can still picture those poor little doggies and pussy cats left to die by a service who quite frankly should be ashamed to use the words animal & protection in the same sentance.

Try and sue me, I dont care.

Looking at the photo's of Rosedene, the dogs really aren't kept in suitable conditions.
However, a few years ago, I visited our local RSPCA to find the conditions appalling:

There were 3 dogs per small kennel, with no light.
Their bedding was filthy, the floors looked like they hadn't been cleaned for days.
Some dogs had been fighting and were covered in caked blood.
Water was dirty in dirty bowls.

I complained about this, and shortly afterwards, they closed their doors to the public, and rehomed dogs by appointment only. Members then met the dogs in the comfortable, well appointed staff area.

I have had several run-ins with the RSPCA regarding injured birds, "abandoned" ducklings that have been brought to me, and in general, the RSPCA are not interested (apart from one time when our local vets were being televised, and they saw a chance to get in on the action)

WRT the dogs at Rosedene, following the track record of the rspca, I imagine you will not easily find out what's happened to those dogs, and the poor rotties that were dispatched on site - sad though it is, maybe for them, euthanasia is more preferable to a lifetime of being in kennels

Thats awful, have heard bad stories aBOUT The RSPCA before. There were a load of white rabbits that were taken from a bunny rescue some years ago as the RSPCA believed they had been "stolen" from a laboratory where they were being tested. Rabbit rescue was adament they were different rabbits but don't think they ever got them back.

"But who would you believe, WTSAP? The people who had worked with, fed, cared for, walked and (clearly) got face to face with those dogs and cuddled them or someone who went in there and decided that they were unhandleable within the space of a couple of hours, maybe even minutes?"

You can not tell whether a dog is unhandleable from a photo.

Time is irrelevant - if the hour the RSPCA spent with them involved them being attacked by the dogs then that is all the time it takes for the decision to be made IMO. How many times in a dog-mauls-child story is the dog described as being a softy who'd never done something like that before?

"You can not tell whether a dog is unhandleable from a photo"

I'm not sure why people keep saying this. Surely the fact that they are being handled and cuddled int he photos shows that they are NOT 'unhandlable'?

midori - a child in our neck of the woods was mauled by his grandmothers dog (but luckily not killed) - her house was full of photo's of various members of the family cuddling the dog - you really can't tell from a photo, even if the dog appears friendly and cuddly

According to the RSPCA FB statement, the dogs were put to sleep 'on veterinary advice'.

Forgive me if I'm missing it, but I can't see where the word 'unhandleable' comes form - certainly not from the RSPCA.

We all know that a photo of a dog with a person says nothing about the health of that dog or its attitude toward other dogs and children, and hence its prospect of being rehomed.

The RSPCA also say on FB that the other dogs are to be rehomed.

Can we just try to stick to the facts please?

I'd be amazed if many dogs spending an amount of time in the kennels in those pictures could be habilitated enough to live out in the community.

such a sad story and yet another concerning so called "dangerous dogs".THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A DANGEROUS DOG, ONLY IRRESPONSIBLE PEOPLE.

Fucking outragous!

I'm shocked and in tears after seeing the pics of those poor dogs.

this is a very odd story indeed-

generally, if a person was keeping dogs in terrible circumstances, it takes huge amounts of evidence (gathered by other people) to get the RSPCA to do anything - and probably their first port of call would be the local council anyway.

to raid a council dog pound seems extraordinary - for the obvious reason that surely they'd approach the council first with a view to improving things there?

I have heard of people running 'rescue centres' which are an abomination, even using at as a front for a puppy farm - but amongst private individuals, not councils - so far. evidently you saw the place OP and thought it was ok - why do you think this raid happened?

of course, you can't tell a thing about a dog from a photo.

All animals are dangerous. By their very nature they are dangerous.
The same as Humans.

Dogs can not be trusted. You can train them but their very basic make up is that of a hunter. Anything that is vulnerable is at risk from a dog.

I do like dogs and would have one myself but I dont trust them. My children are far more important to me than a dog.
I still would never ever let a dog be badly treated if I could prevent it though!!

God, I ended up following various links there and feeling sick. I didn't much care for the RSPCA anyway after hearing some distressing stories- now I know I was right.
I hope you find out about the 50 missing dogs, Valhalla.

There is far more on the RSPCA at

www.the-shg.org/SHGPressReleases.htm

Where you will see that not only have the RSPCA admitted to shooting the ten German Shepherds with a bolt pistol they have alsoadmitted destroying another 65 dogs by the same method in the last year.

These actions have generated two petitions on the No. 10 Petition the Prime Minister site which ask for a ban on the use of bolt guns on domestic pets.

Please sign and/or pass on if you are able to as a minimum of 500 signatures are needed to trigger a response from the Prime Minister.

petitions.number10.gov.uk/Boltguns/

petitions.number10.gov.uk/Boltguns -on-dogs/

More information on the RSPCA can be found at:

RSPCA-Animadversion
cheetah.webtribe.net/~animadversion/

From their own figures 50% of all animals that come into the possession of the RSPCA are killed.