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to think that people are unaware how desperate things are for birds?

242 replies

PhaseolusLunatus · 08/01/2010 15:56

The RSPB are saying that food and water we provide can be the difference between life and death for garden birds at the moment.

Advice here about what you may already have in the house that could help.

They also need water to drink, and, just as importantly, bathe and perform 'feather maintenance.'

There is also a thread about this in chat, but I don't imagine anyone minds a bit more bumping of this topic.

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cocolepew · 09/01/2010 10:16

Dh is taking the DDs to pondland they had loads for stuff for the birds in during the week. We hav a robin that appears every year, he's got a mate! [Aww emoticon]

cocolepew · 09/01/2010 10:16

Ha! Apt typo Poundland.

cocolepew · 09/01/2010 10:17

I have uneaten boxes of Ready Brek, can I put that out?

DoingTheBestICan · 09/01/2010 10:47

I have just put out a tray of chocolate cake crumbed up,raisins,cheerios,cubes of cheese,grapes,apples & buttered bread, i have also put out a bowl of water.

The blackbirds are loving the grapes so far.

PhaseolusLunatus · 09/01/2010 11:07

Wow - so many lovely things being done for the birds it seems I was being at least little bit U

TeddyBare, the RSPB website has spoken:

"Bread

All types of bread are acceptable to birds, but ideally it should only be just one component in a varied diet. Bread does not contain the necessary protein and fat birds need from their diet, and so it can act as an empty filler. Although bread isn't harmful to birds, try not to offer it in large quantities, since its nutritional value is relatively low. A bird that is on a diet of predominantly, or only bread, can suffer from serious vitamin deficiencies, or starve."

Since they are actually starving, I would imagine that in these extreme circumstances the benefits of a bread-heavy diet would outweigh the disadvantages.

Your birds, Teddy, have had all sorts of treats this morning, so no problems there, and Rye bread sounds eminently suitable

Longtalljosie - our birds have pecked about in the snow for bits, but it sounds like a difficult balance between the birds finding the food and the cats finding the birds. The RSPB recommend putting food on open ground, so cats have nowhere to hide, but only you know what, er, proficient killers , your cats could be. Sounds like a feast awaits them!

addictedtomn - pannettone surely counts as a sort of bread; lucky birds

cocolepew - since dry Ready Brek is both oats and breakfast cereal (which is allowed, according to the RSPB, as long as water is provided as well,) that sounds great!

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cocolepew · 09/01/2010 11:47

Thanks I have put out ready brek and pancakes and a bowl of water. Not a bird to be seen

MollyRoger · 09/01/2010 11:49

A poster said she didn't have a garden: if you haven't got a garden, have you got ANYWHERE nearby, even a park where you can go regularly and leave some food? You can even get suction hooks to attacth small bird feeders to widnows in flats, you know!

MollyRoger · 09/01/2010 11:50

Sometimes it might take a day or so for birds to 'suss' out your neighbourhood. they see the food but they might be wary at first. It won't take long.

lazyemma · 09/01/2010 12:43

It snowed last night over all the food I scattered! But I've bought a bird feeder today, filled it with seed mix and stuck it on a branch. I also got a suet block and a feeder for that, and loads of fatballs and a fatball holder, all of which are now dangling off various branches in our garden. I also got cans of meal worms (man, those things are disgusting) and have put them out on plates on the picnic table. There's fresh water out too.

I haven't seen any birds yet but I guess it'll take time. I just hope all the nearby ones haven't carked it already.

fedupwivcold · 09/01/2010 12:46

we leave out the crusts and we have those feed balls on the trees

roisin · 09/01/2010 12:55

FuriousGeorge - my dh is sceptical about the glycerine to keep the water unfrozen. He thinks it might have an effect on their feathers/waterproofing?

Attenborough · 09/01/2010 13:12

The RSPB site says any sort of fruit. I presume that means that ripe bananas would be ok?

cariboo · 09/01/2010 13:15

I snorted last night at this thread title but having seen two little robins hunting about frantically for something to eat this morning, I'm going to put some bird balls out for them. Poor things!

SqueezyIsStartinAResolution · 09/01/2010 13:21

I cooked sausages in the oven and there is quite a bit of fat left in the baking tray. Would it be ok to scrape that onto a paper plate and put it out?

PhaseolusLunatus · 09/01/2010 13:52

roisin - I wonder where we could find out about that? I'm sticking to regularly thawing it out with hot water.

Attenborough - ours have banana

Squeezy - cooked fat is apparently bad because when it's mixed with meat juices it makes it softer, and potentially damaging to the feathers. (It spreads easier, interfering with their insulating and waterproofing properties.)

Suet and lard are good fats for birds.

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shockers · 09/01/2010 14:02

I've put out buttered bread cut into little cubes, raisins, more cubed bread soaked in the olive oil from sundried toms with a few of the chopped up toms too and some fresh water every hour or so. My cafe has been full all morning and because I put it in different locations, the seagulls did not snaffle it all

PhaseolusLunatus · 09/01/2010 14:03

This website ('All About Birds') has this to say:

"Some people use glycerin as a makeshift antifreeze in birdbaths, but we do not recommend it. Glycerin is a low-level toxin?if birds drink too much, it raises their blood sugar so much that they may die. Furthermore, when birds bathe in glycerin-spiked water, their feathers can become saturated and matted, providing poor insulation and leaving them susceptible to hypothermia."

I should imagine that wild birds are much more at risk of this, than the carefully looked after ones in FuriousGeorge's aviary.

Attention: please don't put glycerin in the water [bossy emoticon ]

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domesticextremist · 09/01/2010 14:09

Thanks for this thread - we were already putting out quite a lot and were doing well with the smaller birds but now have lots of gulls as well.

Must get round to doing the water today...

I saw 2 parakeet-type things this morning - small bright green things, what on earth do they eat?

Attenborough · 09/01/2010 14:14

Good stuff, they can have banana and bread. And probably ready-brek. Would it be too cannibalistic to put out a spoonful of goosefat?

Turniphead1 · 09/01/2010 14:30

Our garden is always full of squirrels so am unsure how I could feed the birds without the squirrels getting to everything first. (Maybe get an air gun and take some of the critters out to give the birds a sporting chance).

I will give it a go though. Never thought about the poor birds.

PhaseolusLunatus · 09/01/2010 14:37

Attenborough - I'm going to ask Curiousmama on the other thread (in chat) about the goosefat. She just posted that chicken and turkey fat is bad because it sticks to the feathers, so it seems likely that goosefat is the same.

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OtterInaSkoda · 09/01/2010 14:39

Probably no goose fat, Attenboro as cooked fats (eg from the roasting tray) messes with birds' feathers, which can actually kill them

PhaseolusLunatus · 09/01/2010 14:42

LOL Turniphead

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roisin · 09/01/2010 15:07

Thanks for checking that out about glycerin PhaseolusLunatus

littlerach · 09/01/2010 15:12

we stopped feeding birds about a month ago after seeing 3 rats hanging off one of the feeders.

I am loathe to put food out noiw, as we had a big problem woth rats a few years ago and it ttok 3 months to het rid of them.

Any tips?

I have oput out some apple on the bird table and instructed dds to shout if they see any rats.