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In thinking that, look, my DD is bloody well shy, not willful or stubborn thankyou very much

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ijustwanttoaskaquestion · 09/12/2009 17:14

This is my DDs first term at school. I know im probably being Pfb (even though shes my second) but i just get a bit of a funny feeling about her teacher. Firstly, she seems lovely and everyone raves about how good she is. The teaching assistant is lovely too.

But my daughter really struggles with one to one. She is very shy, although once she comes out of her shell she is as loud and in yer face as the rest of them. Its just that whenver adults adress her, in her face i guess, she goes very shy, will say NO and look down or run and hide behind my legs and not come out for ANYTHING. It took her ages to warm to her key worker at nursery although he said that she would still have her moments when she didnt want to talk.

So, fast forward to the first parents evening and the first comment her teacher makes is - She is very willful isnt she?? Now to be fair, DD is actually quite stubborn if she doesnt want to do anything - although i was a bit to have this as the first thing the teacher said to me - she explained that DD wojuldnt be persuaded into line etc and that she would just look down and say no. I explained that actually this is shyness and that shes always been like that, that hopefully she will grow out of it. Anyway, i didnt want to take it personally as it is early days.

Moving on a bit and I am getting messages in her reading book that she doesn't want to sit and talk about books etc with the teacher. (happier with TA tbh) So i have tried to encourage DD without making an issue of it - but i wrote in her book about her problems with one-one and asking if this was a problem at her age - the message i got back was "well yes, it is a problem because how can we assess her if she wont talk to us!" There are always exclamation marks after these negative comments and this really riles me for some reason. Its like the teacher thinks my DD is being naughty.

To be honest, im really upset about this - my DP says that i shouldnt take any notice but i dont want DDs shyness to hinder her in school. He is very much of the school, well DD will come on in her own time - yes, so am i, but i do want to work with the school to overcome any potential problems.

Thing is, i just cant shake this feeling that the teacher doesnt 'like' DD, which i know is really silly but its there and its making me very defensive.

This is an excellent school (by far the best reputation in our area) but it does seem to have high academic expectations. I sent her there because its a catholic school.

I am all over the place about this - part of me wants to march up to the school and say, look here, ive told you she is shy, get off her bloody case but of course i know that would be the wrong thing to do.

What SHOULD i do?? these are messages in the school contact book and like email, maybe im misunderstanding the slant of it.

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londonone · 09/12/2009 22:14

I think I can cope with being berated! It is not at all unusual for young children to have their own agenda, by that I mean their own ideas about how and when they wish to do things. As many other people have said one of the main lessons that you learn in the early year is how to compromise and learn to be part of a group lots of children find this difficult. I also have to echo the fact that if this teacher is experienced she will have far more experience dealing with young children starting school than you will. After 5 years teaching she will have dealt with perhaps 150+ children starting school, the OP on the other hand has has experience of 2, perhaps she could acknowledge that the teacher may have a point.

ijustwanttoaskaquestion · 09/12/2009 22:23

FFS, i am not saying its the teachers fault, im saying i have a nagging feeling, which of course i am not going to listen to!

My DD can be a little bugger actually, but it just that what the teacher described to me is her being shy! when she is naughty she is naughty in quite a different way!!

I dont care how many kids this teacher has taught, she has never taught mine and mine is the only one of her I AM sorry i was rude londonone and i do take your points on board. (grudgingly ).

Notanumber, i do wonder if you are right - i am very wary of getting things right this time, but i am also more experienced of the world now and i know that whilst the teacher isnt god, she IS the teacher and school is her domain and she knows what she is doing.

Right now, i only really have a couple of comments in her home book to go on. So i need, obviously, to talk to her teacher about htis.

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DandyLioness · 09/12/2009 22:25

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Portofino · 09/12/2009 22:29

This is why I like the Maternelle system so much here in Belgium. By the time the TEACHING starts all dcs are used to school/

notanumber · 09/12/2009 22:33

"Trying to persuade your dd to line up, im assuming the teacher is saying something along the lines of 'can you come and line up now please'?
If the teacher is posing it as a question rather than an instruction, then your dd probably feels she has an option and is replying 'no' because she doesnt want to go and line up. She is not being defiant she is being honest."

Oh lawdy, how do primary school teachers cope? I'd go stark raving mad dealing with all that nonsense.

In a world where, 'can you come and line up now please?' is bad and wrong and it's acceptable for a child to refuse to follow that perfectly polite request because "she's just being honest", I know for a fact I'd lose the plot before morning break. Those men and women deserve medals, I tell you.

Not getting at you claw, I'm sure it's a well trodden strategy, I'm just awed by the patience those teachers must need. Thank God I teach Secondary!

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claw3 · 09/12/2009 22:45

I didnt say it was a bad or wrong thing to say, just might be a bit confusing for 4 year olds, thinking they have an option.

'line up now please' is just as polite, but short and to the point and is an instruction, not a question iyswim.

notanumber · 09/12/2009 22:50

Yes, I do see what you mean. You're almost certainly right.

I was just expressing my admiration for the Primary teachers who have to think about this stuff day in day out.

I know that having to think about every little thing that came out of my mouth in that much detail would send me to the funny farm before the term was out.

claw3 · 09/12/2009 22:59

As everyone as said the teacher has been working with 4 year olds for 5 years now, she shouldnt even have to think about it, it should be second nature to her by now.

Just being around 30 children day in and day out would send me to the funny farm, let along having to think too!

ijustwanttoaskaquestion · 10/12/2009 10:49

I am going to SCREAM!!!!! FFS!! bloody hell - none of you are LISTENING TO ME!!

This isnt about her refusal to line up, Im not sure she refused, just reacted badly to the teacher probably trying to take her hand or gently guide her to line - DD doesn't like her space invaded and can be OTT about it. Its not about that at all - this whole thread has become skewn by londonones bloody post

Its about her not wanting to do one to one reading with her teacher!

I was going to collar the teacher and ask for a meeting this am, but i thought well, ok, shes shy, or naughty and doesn't want to do one-to-one with teacher just now. I'm not entirely sure what I am supposed to do about it, and im pretty sure that the teacher knows what she is doing and will do something about it, if she feels the need so i have decided to leave it for now and see how she goes. I hope she just grows out of it, but i am aware of the problem and so now is her teacher.

I think my feelings about the teacher are probably quite normal - after all, thats MY little girl and i dont want her little world rocked in any way shape or form. FWIW, i think this could be a case of her actually being too young for this, she IS only four after all and its a lot to ask. Some children cope really well, others struggle, i would say that my DD is slightly immature compared to her peers so that is only going to exacerbate the problem.

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notanumber · 10/12/2009 11:02

ijustwanttoaskaquestion, calm down. And stop SHOUTING.

Perhaps AIBU is not the best place for this. She is your daughter and you are of course worried and defensive about her.

Take it to Education where there are lots of teachers who will try to help you and there is less of a full-on atmosphere.

However, in my opinion, the only person on this thread who has refused to listen and been rude has been you.

And stop blaming londonone for this thread not going the way you want it to.

She gave you reasoned, thoughtful advice. Making her the scapegoat for the fact that we're not all patting you on the head and agreeing that you are right and the teacher is wrong is unfair and is making you look a bit silly.

saintnickelas · 10/12/2009 11:20

ijustwanttoask: it think notanumber's right and it does need to be taken into education.

i'm posting from the pov of a shy kid who was forced into 1-1 reading with an infant school teacher. she constantly put on my reading card that i didn't know how to read this, that and the other or that i obviously hadn't read the pages at home. but for me, i just couldn't read out loud to the teacher (especially in class in front of all the other children) and i would get stuck on the most simple words - but only because i was reading out loud and could have explained exactly what the book was about if only i hadn't been too shy to argue.

you do need to talk to the teacher, otherwise you'll have an 18-year-old daughter who makes her younger sister go up to the counter in a shop to pay for her.

ijustwanttoaskaquestion · 10/12/2009 11:22

i am not shouting!! and i am calm!!! I am just trying to make a point that....you know what, i can't be bothered.

Seriously, i have had some good advice on this thread.

Oh and FWIW DD now lines up beautifully, in fact she has an award for lining up now

AND i have not once said that i think the teacher is wrong - i did say that i am worried she has the wrong impression of DD, but not that she is wrong.

Had you bothered to read my last post you would see that i am just frustrated that this has become about something that isnt an issue anymore.

Christ on a bike!

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MintyCandyCane · 10/12/2009 11:24

I agree take it to education

saintnick you just made me cry you sound like my dd. Thank goodness we have got some help for her.

saintnickelas · 10/12/2009 11:28

aww, minty, i'm sorry!

you might be interested to know that i only forced my confidence in the past 2 years (before that i would be loud and shouty and then never talk to the people again because i was worried i might have offended them or been too shy to speak to them again in case i'd been too brash)
i sing in a church choir, where i've done solos and i've danced on stage regularly (actually quite enjoy that), but if you ask me to do a reading at church i will shout "no!" very loudly and run for the hills (and if i have to talk in front of a group of people like at WI, i feel my whole face glow red like a beetroot)

I know that if i'd been encouraged earlier and not indulged, i wouldn't be this shy.

does anyone want to ring some customers for me? that fills me with dread too!

ijustwanttoaskaquestion · 10/12/2009 11:30

Do i really need to speak to her though - the reason i am reticent is precisely because i dont want the teacher to think i am challenging her or saying she is wrong - i dont think that. After all, as shown here, its easy for people to think that - if i go and say, well actually, my DD isnt defiant, she is shy, it does look like i am questioning her. I HAVE told her DD is shy, she knows this - so maybe DD is being defiant when she wont read at school.

Also, if i speak to the teacher, im not sure what it will achieve. I dont want to DO something about the shyness as such, because surely just the very fact that we DO stuff will make it worse if DD feels singled out.

I have spoken to DD and asked her why she doesnt want to read to teacher, she says that she only wants to read to me and daddy - i said that well, if she doesnt read to teacher that teacher wont know what a fabulous reader she is - i could see the cogs going round so maybe she might change her mind???

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Bonsoir · 10/12/2009 11:30

TBVH, from your description of your DD in the OP, she doesn't sound shy/reserved - she sounds much more as if she is a little behind in her social skills, and doesn't react age-appropriately to adults, instructions etc.

MintyCandyCane · 10/12/2009 11:31

No worries I needed a good cry - stressful week. I am glad to hear a story that makes me feel I am doing the right thing.

saintnickelas · 10/12/2009 11:32

ijustwanttoask: could you ease her into it by getting her to read to other adults?
say like you did that you've told aunty-soandso how well she reads and she wants to hear it?

ijustwanttoaskaquestion · 10/12/2009 11:39

She has always been scared of adults really, and i guess she is immature - but why??

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Bonsoir · 10/12/2009 11:50

Who knows why? And really, there is no particular need to delve into the whys (nature versus nurture etc). If she is a little immature, it is quite consistent to be both scared of adults she doesn't know, uncooperative with teachers, and overly loud when she is in a safe situation with other children.

You need to work on her global maturity rather than focusing on the odd adjective that labels facets of her behaviour rather than the whole person.

ijustwanttoaskaquestion · 10/12/2009 11:57

thanks bonsoir, that makes a lot of sense

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GhostofMintyCandyCane · 10/12/2009 11:59

Also she is four isn't she ?

amialoneinthisone · 10/12/2009 12:14

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