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To think adverts for and more info on formulas should be allowed?

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StrictlyBoogying · 10/11/2009 21:38

I couldn't and didn't breastfeed either of my DCs for many reasons and when in hospital I was asked which formula I wanted DD1 to have. I had no idea which to choose and the staff weren't allowed to suggest or recommend one brand. I think it's ridiculous. People who want to make an informed decision on formula aren't being allowed to.

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StrictlyBoogying · 11/11/2009 18:16

OMG. I didn't mean to start such ranting! I am not a plant or a troll. I post on here all the time. It's quite funny i've been reported! Will I be banned now? lol.
I think it's up to Mums whether they FF or BF and everybody has different reasons. I never wanted to begin that debate.
I'm aware that I could go into a supermarket and compare formulas or go online...thanks to whichever patrionising poster suggested it! But, I was in hospital when I needed to know more and had no information offered to me. Surely if all formulas are the same then even that would be useful to know.
I never suggested breast wasn't best.
Whatever your reasons for FFing, surely we should be made aware of all the pros and cons and make up our own minds. Suffice to say I'll be steering clear of this subject from now on!

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sabire · 11/11/2009 18:31

Strictly - if it's any comfort formula companies have got a bit of a history of unethical behaviour when it comes to marketing tactics. I wouldn't put it past them to put a plant on mumsnet.

The C & G reps used to regularly sneak into the parentcraft room at my hospital and deposit big piles of cow and gate leaflets entitled: 'Common Newborn Problems', which were basically an ad for formula disguised as general information on babies.

Bloody shameless!

AbricotsSecs · 11/11/2009 19:11

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scottishmummy · 11/11/2009 19:17

what are you insinuating?are you trying to be all Machiavellian?what are you chuntering about

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scottishmummy · 11/11/2009 19:37

well the histrionic assumption that conspiracy and subterfuge is everywhere is somewhat risible

KimiTheThreadSlayer · 11/11/2009 19:45

I think more info needs to be available about formula and formula feeding, it is stupid that ads are frowned on

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StrictlyBoogying · 11/11/2009 20:00

MrsSantos - just searched my name and up popped over 100 messages so either I'm deep undercover or you need to get a life and realise that I'm just a Mum who'd like to make the best choices I can given the facts.
TryHarder - That's a very idealistic and patrionising. Not only do Mums encounter problems but often babies have feeding issues too. The hospital I had my DDs in had no Breastfeeding support other than from harrassed midwives who had no time to spend trying to help me.
Bucharest - Not me, no.
Kimi - agree 100%

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shonaspurtle · 11/11/2009 20:04

Follow-on milk is allowed to be advertised. How does this help us make informed choices about which is the best?

I know, for me, all it did was give me a nagging feeling that I should be giving bf ds some follow-on somehow, what with all the iron in it and all. I didn't, but I did doubt myself for a bit. I'm obviously more easily led than I thought.

For what it's worth, when I did give formula I used Aptimil. How predictable. I stood in front of the shelf and I knew they were all the same, and I knew I might as well buy the cheapest but I went for soft poos, Immunofortis and most expensive (so best, said my easily-led heart) bollix.

It would be great if there was a transparent comparison of the different makes of formula. I'm not sure who would have to do that. I suspect though, on balance they would indeed turn out to be all of a muchness.

scottishmummy · 11/11/2009 20:08

StrictlyBoogying it is like spooks pretending to be a real mum, whilst actually skulking round mn writing bogus posts about formula

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scottishmummy · 11/11/2009 20:14

yes lets digress now op has confirmed she is genuine and indeed not an industry plant

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Tryharder · 11/11/2009 20:42

StrictlyBoogying, yes that's my point! Women/babies who have problems with bf are often given little or no help getting those problems resolved. Counsellors aren't available to come out until a week next Tuesday, you can get advice over the phone if you're lucky which is unhelpful for all but the most trivial of problems and due to our ff culture, our own mothers and grandmother know fuck all about bf and can offer no advice or support. Furthermore, there is nothing worse than a starving, crying, fretful baby who won't latch on properly when you are on your own at 3am except for your DH who is saying FFS, give him a bottle.

So you see I wasn't being patronising, far from it, just stating a reality that bf is often hellishly difficult (I speak from experience) but problems can be overcome WITH THE RIGHT SUPPORT and a return to a BF culture. There seems to be this attitude amongst HCPs that if bf doesn't work out immediately, then the baby should be bottle fed end of story, whereas in reality, the baby could have been given formula just once or twice whilst the mother and baby were given assistance and support to overcome the difficulties.

What happens in poorer countries where women have no access to formula? You don't hear of thousands of babies starving to death because their mothers couldn't bf them. You hear story after story on mn of women who say they "had to" give up bf because they didn't have enough milk/baby wouldn't latch on/milk wasn't good enough etc etc. Are we really that biologically inferior that we cannot perform this most natural act? Of course we aren't but this is what our ff culture and certain multinational companies who manufacture formula would have us believe.

And I'm patronising noone here except perhaps myself as I "gave in" to my own self doubt regarding my ability to bf twice and ended up giving both my sons some formula.

stanausauruswrecks · 11/11/2009 21:07

Breastfeeding is hard enough in our culture - If I had a pound for every time I've had my mum/aunt/SIL tell me that life would be so much easier/she'll sleep through the night/put on more weight blah blah blah if I'd just give some formula, then I'd be quite wealthy by now. There already is a huge amount of misinformation out there about how FF is "better" than BF -can you imagine what it would be like if the FF companies were able to start advertising their wares??

curryfreak · 11/11/2009 22:23

Ah,- the breast feeding mafia are still around!

scottishmummy · 11/11/2009 22:29

when did it all get so angst and divisive.as mothers we need to be empathic and support mothers any mode of feeding

so many things have become competitive. really sad

the implication if you have labour analgesia you are a wimp
that real birth is analgesia free,swinging from a tree chanting an incantation

i love seeing a wee baby and mum snuggling up.irrespective of mode of feeding.

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scottishmummy · 11/11/2009 23:42

is there no empathy that stops berating ff mums

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scottishmummy · 12/11/2009 00:38

habitual lists and alleged contraindication of ff,hardly soothe a mother or alleviate how they feel about personal individual choice
if one already ff,is it really supportive to list potential contraindications
realistically mums struggle alone in wee hours,no counsellors whatever available to them.they make choices
can we not support mums irrespective of mode of feeding

Babieseverywhere · 12/11/2009 08:09

Yes, we can support all mothers by :-

: Making sure all health professionals are trained how to support new mothers to feed their babies (FF/BF)

: Making sure all pregnant mothers have access to all relevent information they need to make an informed choice and this has to include the issues of FF.

We can not sweep under the carpet all known facts about breastfeeding and formula. This would prevent the next generation of mothers from making an informed choice and that is not fair.

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