AIBU to be worried about the swine flu vaccine?

[PoppyIsApain]

It surely hasnt had enough time to of been tested properly

I think you doth protest too much missy - you called us sheeple. Unless of course my eyes are deceiving me?!! The way your posts are written, or certainly being perceived by us, is that we are not using our brains in making an informed decision on what we have discussed/ read about SF, when quite the opposite is the case.

I look forward to hearing what qualifications you have for interpreting scientific data (after you have been so freely dismissive of mine )?

Missy, bless you for taking the time explain it to me - you said 'you guys' and bearing in mind that in the main it's been saltyseadog, blueshoes and I posting here lately I think it was perfectly reasonable to assume that was aimed at us. My mistake obviously.

Sure I'll tell you what my qualifications are, just as soon as one of you can show me the evidence that the vaccine actually works and thus confirms that the people taking it are really making a decision based on the benefits outweighing the potential negatives.

The point, Missy, is that neither you or I have the qualifications to know much about the technical details of the vax. I know enough though to read the right resources and not nonsensical hysterical ranting on the internet for my information. You seem unable to see that the sources you refer to have vested interests and a complete lack of scientific credibility. Did you read anything else on that site you linked to "vactruth"? I did, and I've seen more reliable reporting in the Daily Enquirer....

I've had the vaccine. My husband had it first as he has a chronic condition that mixed with swine flu could easily be lethal. It was not a difficult decision really, have a free vax that has been rigorously tested and approved by those who know what they are doing (and have no interest in poisoning the entire population), or risk an illness that would be at best debilitating and and worst deadly. Neither of us had any side effects to speak of and our eldest children will get in the next few weeks.

Why exactly do you think the government has a conspiracy against us all? I have no problem with those people who turn up to get their children vaccinated without knowing anything about it, as they are saving theirs, and mine (and yours) childrens lives. I do have a major problem with people who for some bizarre reason think they are more qualified than the WHO and the worlds population of doctors and immunologists and smugly refuse to vax because they somehow know better than the rest of us, putting all our children at risk. (not specifically talking about h1n1 there, rather vaxs that depend on a herd immunity)

Are you this paranoid about everything? If you have a headache do you take an aspirin, I mean, surely you have widely researched aspirin to confirm its effectiveness and to make sure theres nothing in there other than what "they" tell us? I read somewhere that theres all kinds of mind control substances that big pharma put in the Nurofen.......

LOL poo! You have no idea what my qualifications are but you assume I have none in this area. Why on earth am I putting everyone's children at risk by not having mine vaccinated? If the vaccines are so safe and effective as you suggest then all the vaccinated people have no risk from those who are unvaccinated do they?? I'm not paranoid at all. I just believe more in the body's natural defences than in filling it with toxins and animal matter on the off-chance of avoiding an illness which for me and mine holds no major threat. I think the whole 'government conspiracy' aspect from my posts has been hyped up by you and your cronies on this thread to make me look like a headcase but if you pay attention to what I am really saying you might understand me. You say that the sources I refer to have vested interest. How? The only vested interest I can see here is that of the pharma companies selling the vaccines.

I was offered it and said no because I am worried that it hasn't been around long I realise this is probably daft, but I can recall so many things that have been rolled out, called wonderful and then turned out to have some terrible side effects, so I just didn't want to take the chance. I realise this means I am taking my chances if I get swine flu so it's quite illogical, but there you go. I'm being irrational.

Ooo I'm a cronie.

Fwiw I don't hold with the herd immunity view either Missy. What I do believe is that the majority of vaccinations are of benefit to the majority of children. There are exceptions (for example I don't think it's necessary to vax boys against rubella or girls against mumps) but I don't berate or belittle parents who make different choices to mine.

Neither do I FFS!!! I only berate those who don't think for themselves and blindly believe anything they are told. I personally don't believe in vaccines for various reasons as I've said and I do recognise that most parents want to make the right choices for their children. However some people will give more thought to what colour shoes to buy their kids than whether it is right to vaccinate them. I don't understand this mentality at all. Yes we should be able to trust the authorities to advise us correctly but not to consider that there is a much bigger picture than the protection of our respective children is naive. There have been past mistakes with mass prescribed vaccinations and other drugs, there is currently no evidence that the swine flu vaccine works and it has been rushed out quickly to address an alleged 'pandemic', thus I am particularly sceptical and the fact that this thread even exists shows that other people are too.

are you prone to grandiosity missy?you berate others "who don't think for themselves and blindly believe anything they are told"

omg your ego is the size of a planet,that only you can save the blank brains from govt propaganda that you are (obviously) impervious to.cos you is so clever

priceless

I am pretty inteligent, yes. Thanks for noticing!

prone to grandiosity,yet crucially lacking insight it seems

Oooh saggar, can I join your quiche ?

Missy - yet again you're missing the point. We are thinking for ourselves, we just happen to be making different choices to you. That doesn't make us wrong.

If you beleive what you read on "vactruth" (and you didn't answer my question about that, btw) I am willing to bet money you don't have any scientific qualifications, missy, care to tell me different?

You don't believe in vaccines? Riiight, tell that to smallpox, or polio. There are women all over the world who would kill to get vaccines for their children that you blithely dismiss.

Oh Christ. You don't have your children vaccinated against any diseases? You prefer to take the risk of polio to a vaccine?

You are a thundering bloody lunatic. Your poor kids. Do you really believe that your wacko conspiracy theories gives you the right to expose them to fatal diseases??

So there may be things in vaccines that cause a problem for a small minority - it is worth the tiny risk to keep child mortality rates above what they were two or three hundred years ago.

But of course nutjobs don't have to worry so long as there are enough sensible parents around who will protect their children from these diseases.

Well said poo and mrsboogie. I really can't believe that anyone would berate people for vaccinating their children against potentionally fatal diseases based on information gleamed on unscientific websites written by nutters.

As a SEN teacher I have taught rubella damaged children (thankfully rare thanks to vaccination), a child left blind and brain damaged due to menningitus (sp, sorry hung over ) and have a friend whose mother is deaf due to contracting measles as a child.

In some ways vaccination is a victim of its own success; infant mortality is low and disability causes by diseases is rare. Therefore people don't have experience of the devestation previously common diseases can have.

Both my boys have had all of their vaccinations my DS2 (16 month) will have the swine flu vaccine.

My decisions are based on research by reputable scientists with real qualifications and a concern for children's health and not by some mad conspiracy theorist using bad science.

Ok...I've finished on this thread after being told that I am risking my kid's life....I haven't insulted anyone like that on here. I am a bloody good mother and my decisions are made on the basis of what I think is best, just like everyone else. I don't mind debates, even heated ones but being told I'm a shit parent is hurtful and unacceptable so I'm out now.

I do actually agree with you there Missy. Uncalled for.

I don't think anyone has said anything uncalled for.

I'm sure you love your children and would not intentionally harm them, however you are risking your child's life by not vaccinating them despite overwhelming evidence that vaccines are safer than contracting the diseases they prevent.

Some issues are a personal opinion, ie, is there a God, is abortion morally right, should animals be tested on. However some things are facts e.g. the earth is a sphere, gravity exists, smoking increases the risks of certain cancers and vaccines are safer for the vast majority of children than the diseases they prevent.

what is squalene? and what happened in gulf war?

That did get very nasty.
Read some very patronising and snidey comments.

OP, YANBU.

And how DO I pronounce squalene?

Squalene is an adjuvant - makes the vax go further and increases the immune response. It was in some vaccinations given in the gulf war and was initially implicated in the development of gulf war syndrome but has, I beleive since been discounted.

Illgetyou - I don't know

Documentary this evening on Channel 4 reveals 800 children suffer with narcolepsy as a result of swine flu vaccine. Wise to have been concerned.

www.channel4.com/programmes/the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake/videos/all/clip-2-the-kids-who-cant-stay-awake