in asking our upstairs neighbour to move their pram?

[KG100]

Our upstairs neighbours share a communal hall way with us and have been using it to store their pram since their son was born. We were quite sympathetic for the first six months or so. After that we politely mentioned it was a problem for us as it was blocking the hallway but they said they had nowhere else to store it.

We let it rest but for the last few months it's been getting slightly wearing as he is now 20 months old and there is no sign of them moving on to a fold up model. We raised it couple of times over the summer, basically asking how much longer they would need it and they were non-committal.

So we asked them if they would mind us storing our bikes there occasionally. They said they wouldn't object and so on Thursday night my husband moved the bikes up in anticipation of going for a bike ride or two over the weekend.

We made sure they could still get their pram in and out but they still went completely berserk. She knocked on the door to ask me to move them and lost it when I said "no - we had agreed this up front". Her husband has also got quite angry and stated that they should have extra rights over the hallway than us.

I can't believe the way they are acting (stomping round upstairs, shouting at me and my husband when we've seen them, even though the bikes are now back in our flat) but not having children I can't judge whether it is really is an ordeal to either get a fold up pram, as we have asked, or alternatively build a shed and store their pram in the front yard. I'm sure all my nephew and nieces (six of them) were using fold up buggies by this age but they insist that they are not suitable for a 20 month old. Am I being really unreasonable? When should they be able to move on to a fold up model? And what does everyone else do when their kids get to this kind of age?

[kitkatqueen]

if you have his email then send him the how to fold link...

[scottishmummy]

i think 20month of pram in hall is taking the piss.of course they should fold it up.parents don't have an intrinsic right not to be inconvenienced because they are parents.

other parents manage this in tenements in glasgow/edinburgh with many internal stairs.no fun,but has to be done

[KnickKnack]

email them this thread

[Hulababy]

They are wrong IMO to store their pram in a communcal hall. They should have bought a pram that was suited to their situation at the time of having the baby - this means taking into account where it will be sotred and how it will be taken into your accomdation.

I lived in an apartment when DD was a baby. Would never have dramt to storing a pram int he hallways, despite living on the fifth floor. I got a pram that folded and was light enough to take up and down in the lift or stairs if required, or that could be stored in the car boot.

They are being totally inconsiderate IMO.

[smallorange]

Everyone I know whol lives in a tenement stores buggies in the communal hallway. Neighbours seem to cut you some slack when you have young children, knowing how bloody hard it is trying to shopping etc up while stopping your toddler from falling back down or dropping the baby.
I do think this couple are making a meal of it though. I'd suggest to them they get a fold up buggy and put your bikes out too, if there is enough room without it being dangerous. If there is not enough room I'd say you should put with the pram it and rest assured you will get your reward in heaven.
You might need someone to be equally generous to you one day.

[TheHeadbangingWombat]

The OP has been very tolerant.She's put up with it for 20 months now.

[HecatesTwopenceworth]

OP - you joined to be able to post this, yes?

Are you hoping that the people you are talking about are on here and will recognise themselves and perhaps see things your way?

Just curious. No opinion on whether that would be right or wrong.

[oldraver]

Your neighbour is lying about the pram not folding. Email him and aske them to remove it to your flat to keep in with the terms and conditions of the lease. Then I would stick the thing outdoors

[scottishmummy]

it is a legitimate post.regardless of when op joined

have you been snooping around,making 2+2=5

why does kg100 have to justify her motives?
do you ask other's too?
do you search for other new posters and ask their motives?

[NeedCoffee]

It'd be a shame if the worry over it left you so very tired that you accidently forgot to lock the shared door one night and some kids nicked it to put on a bonfire play with it.

[scottishmummy]

ach tempting but no.op has moral high ground without acting like a radge

[smallorange]

Tis a bit that she hasn't rushed out to buy a maclaren yet. I couldn't wait to get rid of my pram when I had dd1. The maclaren was liberating. I could bump her upstairs and leave her to nap in the buggy. Am now making plans to get rid of double buggy ( much to the relief of neighbours, no doubt) and make do with maclaren and sling.

Please tell her op - the maclaren will change her life!

[HecatesTwopenceworth]

Is that aimed at me? OP said she'd joined to get perspectives. I was curious. I wondered whether she was hoping that these people would be members, read it and see things her way. I don't give a crap, like I said. It was not a go at her, or a judgement. I was wondering whether she was hoping to get through to them if they were here. There was nothing snide in my post or intention at all.

I don't know what you read in my post but you can back the fuck off.

[scottishmummy]

what i read hecates was you checked up on when op joined?

why?

what does it matter.

if she had been here a zillion mn years would that make her post legitimate?but because you note she is new you question her motives

[ObsidianBlackbirdMcNight]

Yes - I don't know why everybody doesn't just get a maclaren. Same pram from birth until it falls apart, easily folded, easily carried. Poncy big prams are stooopid

[NeedCoffee]

ah but she said its all yucky and got sick all over it, I'd hate that cluttering up my hallway, sounds like a health hazard as well as a fire hazard!

[scottishmummy]

poncy big pram fine if you have poncy big storage

[HecatesTwopenceworth]

SHE said she had joined to get perspectives. That's where I got that from.

And that's why I wondered if she was hoping that they would read this.

I don't see why that's a bad thing. I don't think that's a bad thing for her to have done, she's tried talking to them, maybe she's hoping! what's wrong with putting something somewhere where someone might read it and see it, if you are hoping that it will help? And what's wrong with asking if she is hoping that?

[groundhogs]

QuintessentialShadow: OP said they spoke about bringing the bikes in beforehand, yet when they did, the neighbours went berserk.

They sound unreasonable OP, and this will be creating an issue which won't get any easier over time.

You own both properties? They rent from you? Have you any idea how many people there are that could replace them in an instant?

Give them notice.

[scottishmummy]

the joy of mn is the anonymity it could be your neighbour.the what if factor is quite beguiling

[iliketurquoise]

i've read some of the posts here and my idea is that nothing must not be put in communal areas because of health and safety issues, no matter if there is space or not.
you can come up with this, thats it an dont change your idea.
if they say anything there must be some agencies to apply to solve this problem and you can tell you gonna do that.

[smallorange]

The couple's behaviour is downright odd IMO. If the pram is such a mess you wonder if she is coping. This could explain their reaction. Hmmm(strokes amateur psychologist beard)

[KG100]

HecatesTwopenceworth, Yes, I did join just to post this. In terms of whether they'd see it or not, I didn't post in the hope that they would, as I did think this could go either way. Mummies may just feel differently, and they may well have been more supportive, but as it happens the general consensus isn't that sympathetic to them, so I may just mail them the link! Although probably best not, as that would only add fuel to the fire!

[KG100]

TotallyAndUtterlyPaninied, The fact they've been so difficult has made things worse. We've now got the point where we don't even want to compromise. Originally we were thinking that if they could give us a timeline to resolve this we would work to that. But after this weekend's fiasco we want them to remove it straight away and are seriously thinking about getting our solicitor to write to them about their multiple freehold infringements. But, we really don't want to go down that route.