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AIBU?

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To be VERY annoyed

99 replies

NotVeryAmused · 25/09/2009 09:56

Have name-changed in case SIL finds me.

Basically, last night SIL sent out an email about xmas. Most of my family don't celebrate it, not particularly bothered by it, and personally, I would be much happier in my own home over the holidays, eating cookie dough and watching DVDs under a great big duvet in my PJs, or something along those lines. Maybe sleep in a bit ... have a nice rest.
Anyway. This is not to be. Every year I am told that I have to go to their house for xmas day, boxing day and so on. Considering that my family in general never spends more than about 2 or 3 hours throughout the rest of the year in the same room (even that descends into arguing), 2 full days and nights of enforced family time, all in one house, is a bit, erm, draining. My parents wouldn't (given a choice) celebrate xmas either, but DM has said that she doesn't want to upset SIL. Now, back to the email. We have been "invited" to go over this year again (what joy), and "due to the current economic climate, I would like you each to contribute £x to the cost of the meal". So, this year, not only are we bullied into going to their house to celebrate a holiday few of us actually want to celebrate, we now have to pay for the privilege. I'm looking into flights so I can honestly say "can't attend, out of the country".

So, AIBU to be annoyed by this?

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fillimum · 25/09/2009 16:16

Is this your SIL?? hahah - don't go. She sounds like a right cow.

NotVeryAmused · 25/09/2009 16:22

Oh my word ... that sounds just like her.

Secondcoming, yes, you may join me as long as you don't object to staying somewhere which has a bar in the pool.

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StewieGriffinsMom · 25/09/2009 16:25

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NotVeryAmused · 25/09/2009 16:37

That's another thing that gets me (sorry, this is kind of turning into an angsty online therapy session), is that the rest of the year, DB and SIL act like complete twunts - like the previous example of coming to visit my town (on many, many occassions) and not telling me or saying "let's meet up for a quick coffee". They don't come along for other family member's b'day celebrations, are very mean about DM, but then all of a sudden, on this one day, they're wanting to be all lovely happy families and pretend everything's alright. I'm sorry, but if you want to have a good relationship with your family, you work on it all the time, not just when it's convenient for you. I am also dreading the annual "What we perceive to be wrong with NVA while wittering on about our own wonderfulness" post dinner discussion.

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HecatesTwopenceworth · 25/09/2009 17:33

They live miles away, right? they don't have much to do with you, right?

So even if you do offend them, what's the problem? They won't speak to you? Big deal. They'll send nasty text messages? Delete them without reading. They'll phone? screen your calls.

You could even cut your last post and stick it in a text back to them if you felt like it!!!

pagwatch · 25/09/2009 17:34

ahhh

Dr Pagwatch was right!!!

You are joining in. They have trapped you in a web of passive agggressive control and annoyance. On some level you are enjoying it or you would disengage.
But you can't.
It is like a scab you want to pick. You want to be annoyed so that you can vent.

Persoanally I think while you may enjoy complaining and being annoyed about how much they bug you, and all the ensuing drama, but it is ultimately self destructive, You will just become more negative.

Do yourself a favour and opt out.

If you do go you have to ask yourself what it is that makes you want to stoop into that kind of situation. Because it is your choice - you caneasily choose not to get involved.

(or more accurately pag had destructive negative family dynamic and opted out years ago. Much happier and much nicer person for it)

GetOrfMoiLand · 25/09/2009 17:39

Have read thread, from the sound of it this is a yearly event for both you and your mother, you get het up about if for the months leading up to Christmas and you then have a stressful Christmas that you don't enjoy.

Tbh I think you need to realise that you (and your mum) are complicit in this strange ritual. You probably know in your heart of hearts that despite all the complaining you will go to SIL's anyway for a quiet life.

You do need to break out of the cycle of victim and agressor.

Ghanamafia · 25/09/2009 17:49

I tend to agree with pagwatch. So if you do say no, best to make it very neutral and low key.

Your SIL is being unreasonable to make it so controversial to say " Not this year, thanks, maybe next year". In lots of families, you spend every other Christmas together, or generally spend Christmas together but on occasions do something else, or people take turns hosting. This is normal. If you don't establish that principle with your SIL now, you could end up locked into this dysfunctional horror for years to come (like your parents).
When you do go, be the naughty Auntie lolling on the sofa with very strong gin and tonics. Very satisfying.

catinthehat2 · 25/09/2009 18:13
CheerfulYank · 25/09/2009 18:26

If you really, really can't bear to go, then a simple, "I'm sorry but I've got plans that day," would be fine I'd think.

But..honestly...if I were you I'd suck it up and go. The money thing's a bit much though. Tell her that you'll bring something instead.

NotVeryAmused · 26/09/2009 21:25

Thanks ladies. Pag, I will try to follow your wisdom. At the moment, I'm not responding - it's September. How am I supposed to know what I'm doing in three months time? Then, at a later date, will respond very calmly and just say no, and ignore any subsequent dramas. You're right - my family LOVES these big drama fests, and SIL and DM love to wind each other up constantly. I will try my best to remain out of it and neutral. If I do end up going, I will follow the strong G&T recommendation (would actually like one right now ...)

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groundhogs · 26/09/2009 21:51

Good for you OP, good move, avoid it, forget about it and then say, oops, no, sorry, other plans.

Am I the only one who wonders if we will be seeing another AIBU thread in a couple of months time, from OPs SIL, wondering when you've emailed about christmas in September, DBs family, why they haven't replied, and ISBU to feel put out that she haven't heard if they have agreed to subsidising the Christmas blow out dinner..

NotVeryAmused · 26/09/2009 22:15

He he. I don't know if she's on MN (but I know the other one's on NM. That's a whole other AIBU).

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WebDude · 03/10/2009 23:09

diddl wrote "Is it just me who has a horror of being alone on Christmas Day ?"

Well, you may not be alone, but I for one can thoroughly recommend it for a stress-free break.

Of course I have enjoyed many family Christmases - early on, as the youngest with 3 elder sisters, and later, just myself at home with our Mum, sometimes with family visiting (though two sisters lived some 200+ miles away so not a frequent thing).

When I moved here (N Wales) 20 years ago, our Mum also moved, but into a separate home (she smoked, I don't) and then some were spent together if she didn't go away to/with one of my sisters (who, with her husband, his parents and his 3 elderly aunts, went off for family get togethers with his brother and family).

I am able to do whatever I want, including avoiding Christmas music on radio, and with no TV, don't miss any 'special' shows that clash!

As for the OP, I'd just say 'be firm and say No Thanks'. I do this regularly, because year after year the youngest of my sisters invites me.

Nothing against her or her family - we're spread out a bit, her towards York, my middle sister around 50 miles from me, and the eldest down in Sussex. We don't get together often, only once in the past 10 years since the death of our mother.

I did go over some 17+ years ago (they wanted a computer set up) but fitting in with 'their' schedule after living alone for a while was far from fun. On the day I was coming back, I had checked the train timetables and was on a pretty early train (my sister was in her dressing gown when she drove me to the station for a 7.15am departure to Manchester - gave me Saturday afternoon and Sunday to relax properly at home... now I have a cat so a good reason for not going).

Some people just don't understand a "no thanks" even if that's the same answer they have had for 15 years! Now they have a place in France to visit, so thankfully they spend whatever spare time they can over there, either driving (if they have items to move) or getting some cheap flights.

Anyway, ramble about my family over... for NotVeryAmused It does seem that relations between you and your SIL and DB are low, and given their achieving a lack of contact during the year, I really don't see why they should
(a) make a big thing of inviting people (and insulting them by requesting funds to pay for it) and
(b) making abusive comments if you don't.

I can understand that your parents would not want to rock the boat too much because of them wanting to see their grandchildren, but I can quite understand that if Christmas is no 'massive' deal for your family, then the SIL just doesn't understand it (and given your other brother visits his in-laws, it does seem low on his priority to see immediate family).

They do say that it's quite a stressful time, so for all the people who put such high importance on getting together, it does seem they ignore the chance of it not being the 'best thing' for everyone, or perhaps they invite others to enforce a crowd to protect themselves from throttling one another if they would otherwise be having rows all the time!

I had been wanting to suggest your DB should be the one to break it to your SIL that her attitude was selfish, but seems he's too much under her influence. Therefore I can only commend the suggested form of words from Stigaloid on Fri 25-Sep-09 16:09 ( and I laughed a lot at Lexilicious 25-Sep-09 12:25, regarding IOU type 'present' ).

I'd love to stick with hullygully's 'fuck off' as a last resort, but think a gentler response if you get any abusive e-mail/text would be less incendiary - on the lines of "No need to be rude. I'm old enough to choose what I do and with whom." (That might even hint at you having company over Christmas, and you can even encourage a rumour with: I'm chatting online with this geek called WebDude, who loves that Chesney Hawkes track "I am the one and only"... {it has a line 'and you're the one and only you' as there's room for someone else in my life, and yours, I assume!})

LoveBeingAMummy · 03/10/2009 23:16

so your dn's are rebelling already and you're not, who'll be going to who?

Just tell them you'd rather spend £x getting pissed and throwing up on xmas day like ever normal single, childless 20seomthing

busybutterfly · 04/10/2009 13:29

I bloody hate Christmas.
My family give low key gifts and have a nice lunch which is just right. Not a big deal.

DH's family - well, it's another thing altogether. Ridiculous number of presents expected and no gratitude from surly Nph's and Nc's. Huge meal which goes on for hours and hours and you're all expected to sit there making uncomfortable small talk to SILs and BILs and Nph's and Nc's who we never see during the year. Because we don't want to!

Last year we were invited to a restaurant and bloody SIL calls us IN THE CAR ON THE WAY THERE to ask us for more cash towards the meal (ie paying for more people than just the 5 of us)...
We have 3DS so we can't disappear but OP - if I didn't have kids I would be with you in that bar in the pool!!!

IWantToLiveOnAFarm · 04/10/2009 13:31

There are far too many things in life that you have to do there comes a time when you have to make a decision.

Reply to her email saying you have already made plans and don't get into a discussion.

Your plans are to eat cookie dough and watch DVDs but she doesn't need to know that.

bronze · 04/10/2009 13:45

Hey just agree to come to my house for Christmas. Then you can say you've agreed to go to somewhere else without lying. I'll cancel on you last minute though so be warned

WebDude · 04/10/2009 16:22

LOL @ bronze - excellent idea.

Provides a version of the truth with the ability to watch DVDs and relax for the OP !

StableButDeluded · 04/10/2009 16:58

Oh God I'd love to have Christmas on my own one year. At least, I think I might. Not while DS is little, I'd miss him, but I really hate all the commercialism, I'd like to go on holiday and just not 'do' Christmas at all. I would leave small gifts for the family because i do like giving presents to make people I love feel good, but that's it. It would just be 'have a lovely Christmas, Byeee!'

then I'd go somewhere where Christmas isn't happening & just relax.

wicked · 04/10/2009 17:04

YANBU, but you have to be firm. Break the trend and you won't look back.

We have a very different idea of Christmas to my family and it was only the first year that was difficult - breaking the news that we would not be visiting. After that it was fine.

It is easy to sugar coat into suggesting that you spend family time during the better weather. You don't have to make excuses about hte cost of getting there - you are not going and it is non-negotiable.

Stripycat23 · 05/10/2009 11:55

Once you say "no thanks" get ready for the manipulation that will surely follow. I would get ready with a "compromise" offer eg I'll come down Boxing day or New Year or invite them to your house - at your convenience! But only use this as a last resort. It's your Christmas and your choice!

bramblebooks · 05/10/2009 12:52

Devil's advocate here - does she secretly hate all the work and organising it takes and would she secretly love not to have to 'do it all' - all though that probably validates her?

Don't go. Have a lovely time with your family in the way that you want to.

NotVeryAmused · 05/10/2009 13:03

Thanks bronze for the offer!

Well, I found out that DP's most likely going to be around (he was thinking of going to his parents, but now isn't), so I have to stay with him, watch lots of DVDs and drink copious amounts of wine. I can't wait!

I'm not sure she hates it ... she loves complaining about doing this sort of thing, bbut still does it. If other people try to organise anything, she gets all huffy and doesn't attend, or else they only come for a couple of hours and then leave because they have something really "urgent" to do.

So far nobody else has replied (as far as I can see), so will not get back until closer to the time.

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