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Daily Mail...dont shoot me!

157 replies

milknosugarplease · 08/09/2009 12:44

ok, i have seen daily mail mentioned everywhere on messages and in names-never positive!

i am in no wy sticking up for it...just would like an insight on the reason for this strong dislike (hate is a strong word!)

a confused but in no way liking the daily mail, milk

xx

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scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 21:50

there is the rub can starngers tapping on pc constitute a herd?is it a critical mass

i shall give this due consideration, and report back after much rumination

posieparker · 09/09/2009 22:10

Scottishmummy was that a serious question?

It is true that many people get brainwashed by a perspective that swims through the very core of a newspaper, and it's values, leaking out. The nation is obsessed with 'slebs' and give more of a shit about the next character to leave Eastenders or win a tragically, over produced and sappy reality TV show than the wars we are involved in. Front page news is a trashy 'sleb' showing her knickers not the landslide in columbia killing thousands as that get page six, six lines only, or the impending doom of a crumbling NHS. This shapes what many feel is important or insists that the 'many' are already right. Example...moderate racist, anti immigration, small minded Mr and Mrs Middle England. They believe that most immigrants are here illegally and stealing our jobs/ here legally but draining all of our resources. Your paper of choice tells you that the population is bursting and over crowding is imminent and that it's all the immigrants who are taking our resources, our benefits and our NHS. Mr and Mrs England feel happy that they are right.

In a nutshell that's why I hate Red Tops and The Daily Mail (a wolf in sheeps clothing).

scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 22:12

pp you erroneously assume i read dm.i dont

posieparker · 09/09/2009 22:15

No No, I mean their when I wrote your...when discussing Mr and Mrs M E(too late to change it). I assume you don't but then what are you arguing about?

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 09/09/2009 22:20

Well, I'm writing largely from a personal POV - my parents read the mail. And my Mum, who is lovely in many ways and would give you the shirt off her back etc, believes the crap she reads in the Mail. She's not stupid, and if I point out to her that X, Y and Z in the Mail are bollocks, she will say, of course I don't believe everything I read in the paper, how ridiculous!

but the next time I speak to her on the phone, she will tell me how immigrants are destroying the country, working mums are ruining their children's lives, mmr causes autism, people these days will rob you as soon as look at you, climate change is a myth... all of these opinions formed on no broader basis than articles in the DM.

It's all very well saying it's patronising to say I can read the Mail and others can't; but I have spent 10 years working with statistics and can see when someone's fucking with them. Plus I'm expecting the Mail to lie, so I read their articles looking for the 'nugget of truth', as descibed above, that contradicts the headline and the 15 paragraphs before.

And what I don't get, is if you don't believe the shit you read in the Mail, why buy it? Why buy a paper you know is lying to you? Because of the celebrity cellulite photos on page 42? Because of the 'cancer cure' on page 57? Are us women really that fucking shallow?

Oh, and I live in Solihull - prime DM territory - where the BNP is doing very nicely thank you. It's not all about flat caps and Sun reading, nancy66.

scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 22:24

i abhor the bleating about dm by people who read it and decry the masses for doing the same thing

all the very worthy i am impervious to dm posters but the compliant others aren't

how arrogant

here a tip- if you no likey don't read it or link it and don't try claim you do it as social favour

posieparker · 09/09/2009 22:33

Ah, the 'Come and look at this awful thing that I don't ever look at or read but...' Can honestly say I have never read the DM online (may have picked up a free one on a flight) but have clicked on links via MN. People do have a smugness too when reading what some people believe knowing that it is complete shit. If that's what you're saying then I agree.

In the style of the famous sketch about class by Barker, Cleese and Corbit the DM readers look down on the red top readers and the broad sheet readers, in the know that all print is inked with bias, look down on the DM readers.

scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 22:38

well many on MN claim to just find dm in cafe but dont read it

not familiar with sketch you cite - is it funny

scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 22:46

pp,nail on head.all the dm harrumphers who read it but lookey down on others for doing so

beanieb · 09/09/2009 22:53

there's a massive difference between reading it and buying it!

thesecondcoming · 09/09/2009 22:54

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scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 22:56

how so.both involve knowledge of its content. splitting hairs to say one reads bit doesn't buy

thesecondcoming · 09/09/2009 23:03

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scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 23:03

yes and the power of the anecdote isn't limited to DM.look at many MN benefit/nursery threads.no dm links but plenty silly tales all authenticated as fact

i now a woman who said they beat dem children in nursery

i know someone who said dem scroungers have Masssssssive telly and lodsa dosh

all anodyne anecdotes.not limited to dm.
in rl many talk shite
in rl many don't

scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 23:03

yes and the power of the anecdote isn't limited to DM.look at many MN benefit/nursery threads.no dm links but plenty silly tales all authenticated as fact

i now a woman who said they beat dem children in nursery

i know someone who said dem scroungers have Masssssssive telly and lodsa dosh

all anodyne anecdotes.not limited to dm.
in rl many talk shite
in rl many don't

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scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 23:11

who are you addressing?you want a MN discourse and collective DM reading.shouldnt be too hard,plenty here read it

thesecondcoming · 09/09/2009 23:15

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scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 23:17

LOL divergent view is leapt upon as DM lover

scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 23:19

dont read DM have no need to discuss content

not on my radar

plenty here have knowledge- ask them

thesecondcoming · 09/09/2009 23:22

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scottishmummy · 09/09/2009 23:27

i have issue with duplicity,and the masses can read dm as it affects them but not the allegedly enlightened MN others who can see the pernicious DM ways

aye right

hambler · 09/09/2009 23:35

Scottishmummy I agree completely with your points.

MorrisZapp · 10/09/2009 13:23

Why do you post on these threads scottishmummy, often the same points over and over?

You're obviously drawn to the debate, despite not reading the DM yourself.

In exactly the same way as people like me are drawn to the debate despite not buying it ourselves.

If you have no interest in the DM why do you always turn up on these threads with your vague, endlessly repeated mutterings about herds, picking it up in cafes, and irony?

Why don't you fully explain what you mean and be done with it?

It's not about herds - most people who don't like a newspaper will have held that belief long before they logged on to their favourite chat site online.

The DM is vile - it's not enough to say 'you don't have to read it'. I can't abide that argument. Of course nobody has to buy the DM. Nobody has to take their kids to see High School Musical, nobody has to buy them processed cheese for lunch and nobody has to read Heat magazine.

But we are all allowed a critical voice, and have the right to say that we personally think that these things are shite, and to say why.

It's a no-win argument anyway. If I say 'I don't read the DM because I think it's shite' then you will say 'How do you know it's shite then if you don't read it'.

But if I say 'I read the DM and I think it's shite' then you will say 'Why do you read it then, just buy something else'.

Meanwhile thousands of people do buy it and do read its endless supply of racist, sexist etc stories. Which adds to the sum of racism, sexism etc in the world, and makes the job of liberals all the harder.

I'm not a member of a herd thanks, and if you have clear arguments as to why you think I actually am, then feel free to present them.

It's hardly arrogant to think that people who actually pay money for a daily newspaper might believe much of what it prints. Nowt to do with 'masses'.

scottishmummy · 10/09/2009 13:46

i dont need your permission to post or seek MN approbation. i shall continue to post on this topic as i wish

i could equally comment i see the same counter argument habitually. however if that is someone else subjective opinion, they are entitled to it. equally i am entitled to demur and hold opposite subjective opinion.

yes that is the thing about having a consistent opinion. it is generally reproducible and enduring.