NHS and ARMED FORCES

[maturestudentlikegoodwine]

am I being unreasonable to suggest the government gives money to the NHS and to our forces who are both in need of equipment, rather than hand out money to immigrants and assylum seekers?
I have just come out of hospital, it wasnt the cleanest of places, and there only seemed to be one nurse on the whole ward!!! with other care assistants, but the care I received was second to none and the girls did a sterling job as do our boys fighting in substandard kit.
It annoys me at all the handouts our government gives in benefits to people who come to our country looking for a better life. Also we are told the country will take 5 years to recover from the recession, so why for the love of God did we ever agree to hold the olypics here???????

I'm joining the queue to fangirl Chegirl.

Sits down next to VulpusinaWilfsuit

Well you keep referring to human rights as bullshit and nonsense so I'm sure you'd be only too happy to elaborate and list those rights that you wouldn't mind living without.

Obviously not.

I have never said that chegirl, I am saying that we are letting in / have let in far too many people across our borders, and NOW the government are saying they are going to make it more difficult to get in ( bit like closing the stable door once the horse has bolted ) No body said the NHS was crumbling because of the immigrants or the soldiers dont have helicopters because of them, I said we should stop taking more people in, stop giving benefits and resource the money.
I said it is OUR OWN LAZY BRITISH people that are abusing the system. Human rights is a whole different Kettle of fish, and it seems to me that some of you have taken this up as a professional hobby to slate and name call anyone who doesnt hold the same opinion as yourselves. I am not unintelligent as suggested by a couple of posters.. I am a member of Mensa and have an IQ of over 140 and i am sorry if my views are bigotted but I will not change them because some of you seem to want to beat me down with insults.

I would rather concentrate on the lazy buggers in this country who have no intentions of getting a job when they are capable of doing so. I think most people who come to live here from other countries have a better work ethic than a heck of a lot of folk born in the UK.

and I must say your bullying tac tics such as sitting down with each other etc are childish in the extreme.
So thankyou for an interesting night, and this has been most helpful for my Psychology study, Well played all of you.

Didn't they teach you at Mensa that typing entirely in capitals is the equivalent of shouting?

ARE YOU THICK YES I KNOW IT IS THE EQUIVALENT OF SHOUTING!!!!!!! I WAS MAKING A POINT !

Ah - I also qualify for MENSA (though haven't joined - why would you). Perhaps it is the extra 13 points I have over you that makes me understand that if you write
"am I being unreasonable to suggest the government gives money to the NHS and to our forces who are both in need of equipment, rather than hand out money to immigrants and assylum seekers?"

no-one is going to take you seriously when you write
"No body said the NHS was crumbling because of the immigrants or the soldiers dont have helicopters because of them, I said we should stop taking more people in, stop giving benefits and resource the money."
just three pages later.

Maintaining a consistent argument will gain you the respect you seem to expect, as will not bleating that people are "picking on you" when what they are actaully doing is picking holes in your rant argument.

Oh good. That'll be a first.

And Mensa is not a place for learning Thunderduck, it is not somewhere where you are taught! I suggest you go google it before trying to be clever yourself!

WTF are you on about? Your OP clearly states exactly why you think the NHS and the Forces are having problems.

You only mention Asylum seekers and immigrants. You directly equate the lack of resources available to the NHS and the Forces with amount of benefits handed out to Asylum Seekers and Immigrants.

I have to keep scrolling up to re-read. From you post you seem to have changed your mind entirely.

Did you think that a quick rant containing the magic words asylum seeker, immigrant, nurses, and our boys would = lots of posts agreeing with you? You are on the wrong forum. I think the Sun has its own. I would try there if I were you.

BTW not all nurses are 'girls' and not all our boys are 'boys'. Another couple of ill thought out steryotypes to add to your collection.

maturestudent are you simply ignoring me??

Clemette, I do beg your pardon, but you must be an absolute Genius to work out that you have 13 points more than me. How could you possibly know how many points more you have, when I never gave my actual score. I said it was over 140, but not exactly what.So you can stick your smart arse comments too!

I'm well aware what Mensa is, but I would have hoped that you'd have picked up some basic etiquette skills while at one of your days out or meetings with Mensa.

Your I.Q score is irrelevant here.
We are not interested in your ability to identify patterns and to choose the missing shape.

you are a loon. are you drunk?

I truly am ROFL now.
You have cheered me up after a crappy day.

Any chance you could comment on the inconsistencies in your posts now?

(whispers - what does it mean to "sit down"? - I'm new(ish) )

chegirl... I am well aware there are girls in the forces... I was a QA myself in the early 90's.
And if you read my post after the first I appologised for the assylum seeker accusation.
Yes I think the NHS and forces are having problems due to lack of funding, and yes I stand by we are giving too much money in handouts and benefits and yes I do think its time to close our borders and make the lazy british scroungers get off their back sides and do menial jobs that only the immigrants will do.
So yes I stand by all of my arguements and I dont care that no body will back me, and I dont feel picked on, I just think you are all sad and nasty if all you can do is insult someones intelligence and typing. I came on here tonight for a debate, which in fairness I did get, and I dont particularly want or need anybodys respect on here!!

That works out well then because judging by your posts so far, you're unlikely to receive it.

It doesn't really mean anything Clemette. It's just the same as being in someone's corner I suppose. A show of support.

If you insist on flaunting your intelligence you must expect comments on your use of the English language.

For example, it is asylum not assylum, apologised not appologised, arguments not arguements and British has a capital B.

See - I can't help myself, smart arse comments all the way...

Thanks Thunderduck.

Anyway it would be rude of me to go without saying goodnight.
Thank you for your time and I am glad I have cheered up your crappy day.
I hope you enjoy your lively debating in the future.
But I do think that rather than be rude to new people and insult them etc it may be nice, to just stick to the topic in hand.
If you look back over my posts, you will see that I have attempted to put smileys in, where no malice has been intended but people have jumped right on in there to still be hurtful and nasty. It is not a nice trait in people and you know who you are

"this has been most helpful for my Psychology study, Well played all of you. "

I want a Mumsnet Bingo card. So far we've hit Interwebz degrees, Them Nasty Immigrants, Support Our Troops, 'Ooman Rights, U R All Bullies, and I Am Interested In Your Psychology.

If we're talking psychology, how about you examine your need to claim 1sts, criminology degrees, Mensa membership and IQ levels to total strangers on the internet? The intelligent here usually don't bother citing their qualifications, because they're fully aware that 1) it means nothing in this context; people's posts prove their intelligence or otherwise, and 2) anyone could claim anything at all. You could claim to be Harriet Harman or Katie Price, we'd have no reason to believe you. The flouncy, yah-boo-sucks note to your posts isn't exactly overwhelming me with admiration for your brainpower, tbh, and nor is the fact that you can't argue on the same grounds for more than two posts at a time.

I opted to do a couple of criminology papers as part of my own degree - and no way on God's earth could you get a first in those there, if you possessed the reasoning ability you've shown tonight. Understanding why certain groups are more likely to commit crimes, and grasping the sometimes counter-intuitive facts on the criminal justice system (young offenders being far, far less likely to reoffend if kept out of that system, for example) is intrinsic. So is an understanding that criminology is generally the study of broken lives, and as such is largely incapable of being reduced into populist sound bites. You simply cannot do well in the subject anywhere worth studying if you aren't able to reason in a nuanced or logical manner; I have no clue what university you attend, but cannot believe any are that lacking in intellectual rigour. You've jumped around all over the place, shifted the goalposts, made personal attacks but whined when feeling put upon... frankly if you've a 1st in a criminology-related discipline from any university worthy of the name, I'm a giraffe named Erica.

I'm still hoping you're a troll.