to think parents shouldn't bring their child up vegetarian?

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Unless for religious reasons.

Yes this is a thread about a thread but I think I was annoying too many people over there so I've started my very own for people to get annoyed with me here!

I just think it's mean. Meat is such a huge part of our culture and fair enough if you're old enough to decide that you don't want to kill animals... but children should be given all sorts of food in the early years, including meat, until they are old enough to make that decision for themselves!

If you don't want to eat meat under normal circumstances, fine, I don't have a problem with at all. It's a perfectly valid and healthy lifestyle.

But saying you won't eat a chicken when you will die unless you do so, is nuts. It flies against all common sense, and the will to live.

However as you're unlikely to find yourself in that situation, it's a non issue really.

And vegetarians get breast cancer too.

PS Please stop with the unncessary capitals, there's no need to shout.

Peter Singer The Life You Can Save

Please stop with the innecessary name calling - theres no need to be rude!

I look on vegetarianism as a priivledge oif living in such a food abundant culture (although thats part of the problem with animal welfare). There are plenty of foodstuffs available for me to have a very nutricious diet without causing to animal suffering. That's my ethocal choice.

If I lived in a different culture, I am perfectly aware that such a thing would be impossible.

That's mild for AIBU. Trust me.
I wouldn't take offence to anyone saying that a decision I made was nuts.

The regular consumption of meat would more than likely be even more impossible in many cultures Monkeytrousers.

Flubdub - being called nuts is not really rude. Asking for it to be deleted is a bit ott.

I've been veggie for nearly 20 years and yet I'm certain I'd eat meat if I was starving and it was the only thing available.

Am loving this thread. As two veggie parents who aren't giving their ds meat we'd been struggling under the impression that we were pretty much on our own on this (maybe something to do with living in the arse end of nowhere in a farming community in rural Shrops) (also a lot to do with my mother, who has been having thinly veiled attacks on ds' veggieness since before he was born), but in fact the world is full of folks doing the same as us and for all the same pragmatic reasons. What a welcome change this environment is!

Why don't you go to the original sources Riven.

And actually we already kill disabled babies when it is deemed in the best interests of the baby and the family. It's called abortion. This is why he is right that abortion advocates would disagree. People are very confused on this matter. He points that out.

He is diswcussing emotive issues about infanticide, not practicing infanticide. Like you, many people don't seem to be abe to see the difference between the two.

But maybe we should not allow such discussions. We should just brush it under the carpet and allow infanticide to be carried out by people who have no concept of ethics.

"Animals have slightly less feelings than human babies IMO."

Do they? And you know this how?

You said that if you were dying from lack of food and there were chicks running around you wouldn't kill one! I think that if you were on the desert island with your DCs and the choice was a chicken or nothing you would kill the chicken! I am talking about starvation here-not a few days without food.
No one can possibly say what they would do -hopefully they will never find out.

You never judge any serious academic or scientit from interviews. It is far too easy to be suckerpunched in an interview and then selectivly misquited. You judge them from what they write.

But you think he's a jerk. That's fine. I think your a jerk for thiunking that on the basis of such evidence - and the fact you have not bothered to look into it further, once a predjudice has been seemingly validated. So we're quits

I have read some of Singer's books.I really think it is a strange thing for him to say.How does he know if he would 'kill a disabled baby' unless he was faced with the reality.
Very,very odd thing to say and has not done himself any favours.

I am also surprised that he has said he would do this.I found his books very interesting.

I have googled him and also tried in vain to get an answer to my question-I suspect there isn't one.

Wow, monkeytrousers, you really are being egregiously stupid, pompous and inept, aren't you? You are the intellectual equivalent of someone who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. I HAVE read Singer, I understand the logical parameters he operates within, and I, too, think he is a total jerk. Aborting a baby for disability is a contentious issue, but even if you agree with that, as the woman's right to choose what is happening within her own uterus, that is light-years from saying a distinct and independently-living human being should be susceptible to murder in their most vulnerable days, because they happen to be a haemophiliac. Your failure to comprehend this distinction, and ability to patronise people who actually may have loved ones falling into the categories Singer is talking about as inherently expendable, speaks volumes. As does your wholly unprovoked rudeness to Riven in the face of her extreme restraint and good manners.

Riven - sorry, don't mean to plough in, know you can look after yourself. Had a bit of a red mist moment there.

I know nothing about this Professor Singer, but that quote was carefully done to shock and mislead wasn't it.

"Singer said he would definitely kill a disabled newborn baby." Note the full stop as though he meant "next time I pass one on the street"

I assume the question was something like "if you were delivering a baby, it was disabled and there was no one else to ask so you had to decide and maybe a couple of other conditions".

A bit like the "If you were on an island and the only food was chicken"

'He indicated he would do so "if that was in the best interests of the baby and of the family as a whole."'

Well put like that of course you would. I'm sure people here would have a whole other opinion of what constituted "the best interests", but generally speaking of course you would do what was in the best interest so it's kind of a trick question.

I have just read your quotes riven-or as much as I could stomach-the most you can hope for is that he is a nutcase, because his views are totally unacceptable in a civilized society.