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to be utterly devastated that my middle aged, middle class sister has just revealed to me

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shockedsister · 07/07/2009 16:25

... that she was held for two nights in a police cell four years ago, on suspicion of the attempted murder of ex DP? I can't believe that she has carried this secret on her own and not told anyone in our family until last night.

She's now in pieces since discovering that a new change in the law (brought in in response to the Soham murders) means that this charge will appear on her CRB disclosure - and she's a teacher who is totally devoted to her work.........

Apparently the incident happened a year after they got together, after he discovered she was planning to leave him. The family knew she'd been the victim of domestic violence, as the police had been called to her flat several times in the first few months of their relationship. He'd broken her nose and pulled clumps of her hair out, threatened to burn her flat down. I also suspect that he sexually abused her, but I haven't had the courage to ask her. We were desperate for her to leave him but instead they moved away to the coast and things seemed to go quiet. She told us that he'd got counselling and was determined not to do it again.

What I now know is that although he'd stopped physically abusing her he'd carried on bullying her in other ways, and she'd decided to leave. When he found out he locked her in their flat and launched a sustained attack on her through the night. She insists that he got stabbed by accident, that the knife was stuffed down the side of the sofa - she was intending to open the door with it when he was asleep, and that it injured him in the middle of the night when he jumped over the back of the sofa, head butted her and bit her face.

I'm not sure what to believe. I wouldn?t blame her if she had stabbed him. He?s a horrible, horrible man, with a history of abusing women (though no charges or convictions - which means he can continue to practice as a lawyer). His ex wife used to sleep with a claw hammer under the pillow, and when she finished the relationship she had to leave her house under police escort.

After what happened with my sister he ended up in intensive care for 3 days but refused to bring charges against her. The police documented her injuries and wanted her to bring charges against him for assault but she also refused.

Apparently he used this incident to stop her leaving him for the next four years, while he spent his way through the equity of her flat which she?d sold when they?d moved away from London. He told her that if she left him he?d tell my elderly parents (who my sister adores) that she?d been arrested for attempted murder.

Over those four years she turned from a slim, beautiful, successful woman of independent means (she was earning 40K a year as a senior teacher in London and owned her own flat), into an overweight drinker with terrible low self-esteem.

She did finally work up the strength to leave him last year, and he didn?t tell my parents about what had happened. He didn?t care any more ? he?d used her up and lost interest.

But my poor sister has carried this burden on her own all this time. And now she is terrified her career as a teacher ? the only thing in her life which she still has which is important to her can?t continue.

Sorry for the long post and I?m not sure what response I?m looking for. I just feel so sad that my sister has carried this worry on her own all this time.

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RumourOfAHurricane · 07/07/2009 23:35

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BitOfFun · 07/07/2009 23:40

Ah, tubeofcanestan- always good value

Oh come on, just join the gang- I like tubey

RumourOfAHurricane · 07/07/2009 23:41

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BitOfFun · 07/07/2009 23:41

Or Bodybag? They're good for a laugh too- but I think VinegarTits is her nemesis rather than Shiney...

pickyvic · 07/07/2009 23:41

OP is welcome to come back. she may have just over dramatised a little or got a few facts wrong. easy done.
im very calm....honest!

pickyvic · 07/07/2009 23:43

oh buggeration....i was stuck on last page.

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BitOfFun · 07/07/2009 23:53

Cat- the gutteral click thing reminds me of the !Kung. Now there's something that should be on QI...

tigerbear · 07/07/2009 23:59

What the F is going on?????

shockedsister · 08/07/2009 00:00

"For the record I do not believe this thread. Hence why it has become a bit jokey"

Unfortunately my OP is completely sincere. I wish it wasn't. When my sister was telling me what had happened I found myself disassociating - very weird experience, like I was dreaming or something. I went home to bed, fell asleep and woke up at 3 in the morning panicking about it.

I feel sick thinking about it.

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Northernlurker · 08/07/2009 00:05

Well this has taken a very bizarre turn!

Look - I'm all for outing any troll who is plainly feeding off a story and causing harm but do you seriously think somebody would think up this particular scenario for fun? I know we've got some odd bods round here but really - what somebody else is going to have come up on a CRB is really very dull unless you're the person concerned. There is nothing to make this thread suspicious except that the police amongst us have decided it doesn't add up - well surprise, surprise you don't have all the facts and neither in all probability does the op. It would be nice if people could stop brandishing their truncheons quite so openly!

The scenario that we're presented with here is that a woman has found out something about her sister that has shaken her perception of the person and has made her fear for her future happiness and security. That's all we need to know - and what she needs is advice on how to deal with that abstract situation. There is nothing on this thread which could cause any harmn to those posting and trying to help therefore imo there is no need to call 'TROLL' even if you're thinking it.

BitOfFun · 08/07/2009 00:06

Perhaps there is more to it SS? I hope you can help her, and her job will be ok. I wasn't sure you were coming back, hence the frivolous chitchat- that time of night, I'm afraid! I'll be off and be silly elsewhere, sorry, and good luck

Northernlurker · 08/07/2009 00:08

SS x-posted with you. It is awful but just try to keep moving foward. You can't protect her from the past and you can't go back so just keep it all in the here and now. Keep her grounded, keep her in control.

pickyvic · 08/07/2009 00:12

i wasnt thinking troll ...just went off on a tangent, sorry, on the other forum i go on that happens all the time! apologies tho if it looks crap.

guvk · 08/07/2009 06:12

I'm so sorry that your sister has gone through such a hideous time. I'm glad that she has found the strength to talk to you about it (although I feel for you, because it is such a dreadful thing to have to hear) I hope that now she has opened out a bit she will able to talk to her union and get advice re CRB checks.

He used secrecy against her, manipulating her by threatening to talk to her parents, and she sounds so broken by the fear of people knowing. The CRB thing brings this to a head I suppose. I don't know the CRB rules at all, but I really hope that she is able to gain some reassurance.

(I don't doubt your OP, and I don't think this thread is the right place for joking around.)

Momdeguerre · 08/07/2009 07:00

Still think there must be more? Domestic abuse cases are just scrutinsed so carefully these days that the result does not fit with the offence.

You also say she is/has been a heavy drinker? Surely this is as likely to cause her difficulties in attaining a teaching post?

(Have had my girls in blue tat. . . .what is the initiation?).

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guvk · 08/07/2009 12:51

"When my sister was telling me what had happened I found myself disassociating - very weird experience, like I was dreaming or something"

I can really identify with that. When I was 16 my mother told me all about a horrible incident between her and my dad a few days before that resulted in a charge of attempted murder and an injunction against him (she later dropped the charge and in those days, 1979, the police were happy to lose interest quite quickly I think).
I don't think I ever quite recovered from the bewilderment of hearing something so unexpected and out of kilter and devastating. It throws you, disorientates you utterly. Sorry to crash in with my own experience, but I wanted to say that I think I understand something of your awful feeling. I hope things work out ok.

JemL · 08/07/2009 13:05

Shineon - my sister stabbed her boyfriend with a kitchen knife about 4 years ago now - she was 18 at the time. She was arrensted for attempted murder - her boyfriend was in hospital, and while she was being held plans were made for her to go to a low secure mental unit place while things progressed. Her boyfriend was interviewed while in hospital and refused not only to press charges but to even say that she had stabbed him (even though she had said to the police she did)She was released later that same day.

I had always assumed with something like that it wasn't down to the victim to press charges, but they told my parents that as he wouldn't even admit she had done it, was ok, and no-one else was there, CPS would say it wasn't worth taking forward.

I always thought it was odd, and quite annoying in a way, although I certainly didn't want my sister to go to court for attempted murder, she does have problems and going to the secure unit would have probably benefitted her hugely.

Sorry to hijack - just wanted say that it does happen like that, ridiculous as it seems!

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lilacclaire · 08/07/2009 14:50

Sorry not read the full thread, but this policy has been in force in Scotland for a while now, whereby if you are under suspision of anything by the police, it will show up on an enhanced disclosure (same as crb).
Your sister should definetly go for the job and be upfront with the employer about what happened, any reasonable employer will realise that this was not your sisters fault and in fact if this has just come into force in England then this type of scenario is going to be more common than people may realise.
I realise that this may be opening old wounds for her and that may make things more difficult if she is used to not speaking about things that have happened in the past, but may help her face and deal with the past by being open about it.

YesSirICanBoogie · 08/07/2009 14:51

Firstly, I don't know anything about the law, but I wonder if your sister was detained overnight for being drunk or for a Breach of the Peace or something minor.
Her ex DP, being a lawyer, was able to convincingly lie about the severity of the charges or investigation to hold it over her. Was he trying to scare her even more? Or was he trying to make her grateful he'd supposedly 'dropped the charges'?

BalloonSlayer · 08/07/2009 15:22
  • an oddly frivolous thread title for such a serious story.

Makes you think it's going to be about fruit shoots, or tattoos, or something.

I mean, what have age and class got to do with it?

guvk · 08/07/2009 15:33

I wouldn't call it frivolous. The op has spoken about how utterly shocked and dissociated she felt. There's the contrast between an outside face of everything being 'normal' and ok, but on the inside everything being devastatingly awful. Of couse DV has nothing with class or age, but it is often treated as an utterly shameful secret that contrasts with a 'respectable' outward face. May be OP is deliberately pointing to the hopelessness and fragility of our picture of an outwardly respectable life when she mentions 'middle aged', 'middle class'.

littleducks · 08/07/2009 18:32

SS- I hope this all works out for you and your sister, the infomation about crb is interesting and worrying

I would also like to echo Northern Lurkers sentiments about the self appointed troll hunters, as she is a member of the police force i find it hard to believe that shiney does not realise that at different points in time different forces treat incidents differently (especially when this is a second hand narration of events) and if it werent for her self rightous attitude i wouldnt she was a police officer at all, as she is so drawn to these threads i cant ask that she refrains from posting but perhaps if she does not believe a certain story she could post that fact and leave rather than 'joking' about some poor womans life

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