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To think if you live in a semi you shouldn't have a live band in your garden.

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StripeyKnickersSpottySocks · 26/06/2009 18:42

I thought radios were bad enogh but the fuckwits next door now have their kids and mates with a full set band 6 ft from my house. Amps, full drum kit, guitars, etc. Parents are looking on lovingly.

What time can I call the police.

I'm havng a dinner part tonight, we won't be sitting out and enjoying the garden now. Infact all windows will have to be shut and I can still hear it really badly.

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sarah293 · 27/06/2009 08:51

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PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 27/06/2009 08:53

Which they do, all the other nights, apart from one (which is a seperate issue as 2am is very late for the majority of people) so that leaves a lot of days to be considerate.

And they packed away immediately they were asked.

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saintmaybe · 27/06/2009 09:00

I HATE radios in the garden/ blaring out of open windows in summer

But... the Op's neighbours children have got a band together, they obviously rehearse somewhere else and at 7pm on a saturday they wanted to play for their parents in the garden?

I think i'd be 'Awww' and enjoy it and make a point of saying 'you must be really proud'

They should have asked/ warned you though

piscesmoon · 27/06/2009 09:00

'In that casehat about those children who go to sleep at 6pm then? Or those who nap in the day time so won't want noise or what about those who night work and cannot abide building work at 8am (or any time during the day) as they need to sleep.'

Exactly-consideration at all times-if you live in a community. If you live half a mile from the nearest house you can do what you like!
My DS has a drum kit-he would never ever take it in the garden! He doesn't practise in the evenings and when he does practise he closes the windows, however hot. The person that he has lessons with has a sound proofed studio.
If you are a night worker then you are prepared for noise-I would imagine they would wear earplugs if they were next to a building site. Work has to go on, children playing is normal,traffic noise is normal-teenagers in the garden with a band doesn't come under 'normal' and should have had a note through neighbours doors explaining why it was happening and how long it was going to last.

PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 27/06/2009 09:04

Have you ever tried to sleep through steels being put into a joining wall with earplugs in? .

I personally have had about 3 parties in my lifetime that have had a live DJ. I contacted all my neighbours to let them know, and in fact to invite them, so courtesy is nice. But it is also individual. If the neighbours did not consider that early evening is a problem, why on earth would they post a note - it is their space too. The OP was not even in her garden, why could she not wear earplugs.

There are many many night workers and not always through choice. Why should they have to put up with noise any more than some-one who does not want to tolerate noise at 7pm for an hour?

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piscesmoon · 27/06/2009 09:11

I would hate to live next door to you Pavlov-my mental health would suffer!!!!I would be forced to move.

helsbels4 · 27/06/2009 09:12

I think it all just comes down to respect for others - or lack of it. When I was younger and lived at home with my mum and dad, the neighbours all thought of each other, helped each other out, notified each other if they were having a party (usually invited each other), didn't take offence if they were asked to quieten down but nowadays it seems to be everyone for themselves.

Wrt my neighbour, your theory is that I should tolerate his music in the early evening because he is entitled to do what makes him happy but what about my entitlement to sit in my garden and listen to the birds singing or whatever I want to do?

He lives next to my immediate neighbour and I can hear his music when I am in the far end of my house! It's ok though because he's young, he wants to, it's early evening and I'm unreasonable because I like peace and quiet!

It's attitudes like that, that makes society what it is today.

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PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 27/06/2009 09:15

We are talking about 7pm noise of a family's teenage children playing in their band. You are talking about a long term deliberately inconsiderate act that would be a problem all day every day (and would go well beyond a street, I know as I live about 10 streets away from a Fish Factory by the sea, we get the odd stink depending on the direction of the wind). That is completely different.

And I have never ever said the OP or anyone else who does not like it should move. Have I? Please do not put words into my mouth that I have not said.

Our views of tolerance are completely different t each other. Your point is not any more convincing by getting petty about it.

helsbels4 · 27/06/2009 09:16

Yay, come live next to me and we can wallow in the peace (apart from my noisy dc's obviously )!!!

piscesmoon · 27/06/2009 09:19

I could move next to helsbels too! I am not intolerant and realise there has to be give and take-after all the neighbours are tolerant of my DS with his drums (which can be heard with the windows shut) -I don't expect them to walk on eggshells but I do expect them to be considerate and the attitude that 'it is my garden I can do what I xxx like' is appalling.

piscesmoon · 27/06/2009 09:20

I didn't say that you said OP could move Pavlov-I said that I would find you impossible and would have to move-entirely different.

helsbels4 · 27/06/2009 09:23

We could have a little peaceful community!!!! I'd love to live in a detached house in the countryside just so I could listen to the birds etc and not someone else's music and swearing and the like

PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 27/06/2009 09:29

'so, in your world Pavlov, I could set up a stinkbomb factory next to you, pop a note through your dor and you'd have to 'get with it' or put up with it. Being as I have a right to do what I please? neighbours who didn't like it should just move right?'

Pisces - I was responding to this post by Riven, not yours.

But how on earth would you know you would like to live near me? Have I ever stated how i live? I do not in fact play loud music, I have building work going on, which is necessary. I have been kind and considerate to my neighbours regarding this, I liased with them in full prior to it taking place,and the deaf 96 year old lady who lives in the apartment below us is spoken to by us each day to make sure there are no problems with our builders. The builders know how old she is, and they are respectful when they see her. And with a child and another one on the way, I am not up for loud parties all night. And I have no garden in which to have a band.

But my and indeed the other posts were not about me, or how i conduct my own personal life and behaviour, they were in response to whether or not the OP should put up with a band, and all posts were in relation somehow to that.

Why oh why do MN discussions so often go from being a good discussion on a topic (which I considered rather balanced and with good points either way) and become personal and attacking when people do not like what some-one says.

PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 27/06/2009 09:31

(oh and when I had my parties, I lived a street full of students, and one was on NYE, one was on my 21st birthday and one was on my DH 25th birthday, and most of my neighbours did in fact come too)

Casserole · 27/06/2009 10:03

Pavlov you haven't said how you live, but you have said your philosophy on how people should live in streets where houses are close together. People are entitled to respond by saying they couldn't live like that. I couldn't live in a street where everyone had your philosophy either, I would also have to move.

Why couldn't the kids have done their gig indoors? Then they could have still had their fun, but the impact of the noise levels would have been significantly reduced for neighbours.

Also, WRT prior notice not making any difference - of course it would have! Then the OP could have planned what time her guests were going to arrive, planned if necessary in advance to have dinner inside rather than outside, etc (this might necessitate a change in menu so prior notice essential), negotiated with next door saying "Ok, you were planning noise from 6-8, how about doing it from 5-7:30 instead, only we've got people coming round at half 7 and we were planning to eat in the garden" - prior notice gives you all those options and it surely just shows some respect?

I think if you choose to live in a built up area then you should accept that some noise may occasionally be heard, but equally if you choose to live in a built up area then you should show respect for those who you will be disturbing by doing everything you can to reduce the impact of your choices on them - by things like giving notice beforehand, doing really noisy things (like live bands FGS) indoors with the windows etc shut before perhaps then hanging out in the garden when the gig is over.

If you want to be able to live exactly as you want to, all the time, whether that is noise-free or noise-abundant, then perhaps buying a house in a built-up area isn't the best idea. However given that often that requires money we don't have, surely it is respectful to limit the impact of our behaviour on others in the meantime.

It's a bit like the arguments for why people should be allowed to smoke in pubs etc - smokers felt that not smoking intruded on their right to enjoy their evening as they wanted. The flip side though was that non smokers couldn't avoid the smoke of someone else's cigarette once it was lit without leaving - hence the ban.

It's the same thing and that's why, Pavlov, your argument about respect/tolerance on both sides doesn't hold up. It's NOT the same on both sides, because the people liking silence can't make themselves deaf for the duration of the noise. They have no choice but to listen to it. The people making the noise are always the one in control.

I do though think that essential noise like building works, with a finite beginning and end, are more acceptable than non-essential noise such as an outdoor gig where an indoor one could just as easily have been done.

piscesmoon · 27/06/2009 13:08

'Have I ever stated how i live? '

You may not live with noisy parties etc-however you said that people have a right to do whatever they like on their own property and I DON'T believe that they have that right. The only have it if it doesn't distress anyone else.I agree with Casserole,essential noise is OK but non essential noise - if disturbing others-isn't. My teen DS has his drum kit, and friends around to practise-over my dead body would they do it in the garden!! (or even with the windows open)

piscesmoon · 27/06/2009 13:10

Children playing is essential noise, the school fete that I can hear at the moment is essential noise, my neighbour mowing his lawn is essential noise. Someone playing music in the garden isn't.

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helsbels4 · 27/06/2009 15:42

Good post Casserole

jeee · 27/06/2009 15:50

I got really annoyed with new neighbours who had two loud parties (with karaoke) going on to midnight (when, to do them justice, the party ended). I was . Kept on being polite though, which was a good thing, because I don't think that they are unreasonable. 2 parties in 1 year (one being the new year). If I'd made a fuss I would have been in the wrong. Mind you, next time they have a party (and I'd guess they're due one), I'll still be quietly fuming in my front room. Are you sure that your dinner party doesn't disturb your neighbours, anyway?

PavlovtheForgetfulCat · 27/06/2009 17:45

I never said people had the right to do what they like on their own properties.

I said - the OP was BU for expecting this family not to have a band in their own garden on a Friday night at 7pm.
and all my other responses were in relation to this. Not to loud all night parties, or stink bombs or anything like that.

That is very different to saying people can do what they like.

Morloth · 27/06/2009 17:53

MY neighbours (well over back fence) had a really loud party the other day. I was extremely cross because it sounded excellent and I wasn't invited.