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To think that banning teachers from being members of the BNP is outrageous!

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londonone · 23/06/2009 10:19

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8112747.stm

Now I abhor the BNP and their policies however they are a LEGAL political party and as a teacher I would find it appalling that my freedom to join legal political parties was being curtailed.

If the establishment believe the BNP to be that abhorrent then they should make them illegal. If a teacher acts in a racist, sexist, homophobic way AT WORK, then discipline them on that basis.

If BNP membership is to be banned then what about the SWP, some would say they are as extreme.

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moondog · 23/06/2009 19:43

I've just had a shoofty aronud the BNP website and it may shock some of you to know that a lot of what it says seems pretty reasonable. They don't all seem to be skinheaded pick axe wielding thugs.

Here's a statement on recent Roma attacks in NI.

'The sickening wave of racist violence directed at the newly arrived Romanian Gypsy migrants in Belfast has drawn universal condemnation from all quarters, including the British National Party, said party leader Nick Griffin in a special mass email sent out last night.

?The BNP wishes to state publicly that it considers the mindless violence in Ulster as reprehensible and futile, and wishes to make it crystal clear to all that we have nothing whatsoever to do with the ongoing attacks against the Romanians, regardless of the claims of various political and media commentators,? Mr Griffin wrote.

?The BNP demands that the police in Belfast arrest the criminals behind these attacks and bring them to justice. We also wish to make it clear that the BNP has not been involved with the troubles in any capacity whatsoever. The media, always on the lookout to smear the BNP in any way possible, has been desperately trying to incriminate the party in this wave of violence. We state categorically that this claim is nothing but a pathetic lie of the liberal-left media.

?Blaming the BNP is attractive to media liars and head-in-the-sand politicians who refuse to address the genuine problems caused in working class communities by irresponsible mass immigration.

?But the truth of the matter is that as long as multiculturalism and uncontrolled mass immigration continues to be official policy, we will continue to see inter-communal violence and bloodshed like recently in Belfast. The race riots on the British mainland and the Belfast attacks are, unfortunately, the tip of the multicultural iceberg,? Mr Griffin continued.

moondog · 23/06/2009 19:43

I've just had a shoofty aronud the BNP website and it may shock some of you to know that a lot of what it says seems pretty reasonable. They don't all seem to be skinheaded pick axe wielding thugs.

Here's a statement on recent Roma attacks in NI.

'The sickening wave of racist violence directed at the newly arrived Romanian Gypsy migrants in Belfast has drawn universal condemnation from all quarters, including the British National Party, said party leader Nick Griffin in a special mass email sent out last night.

?The BNP wishes to state publicly that it considers the mindless violence in Ulster as reprehensible and futile, and wishes to make it crystal clear to all that we have nothing whatsoever to do with the ongoing attacks against the Romanians, regardless of the claims of various political and media commentators,? Mr Griffin wrote.

?The BNP demands that the police in Belfast arrest the criminals behind these attacks and bring them to justice. We also wish to make it clear that the BNP has not been involved with the troubles in any capacity whatsoever. The media, always on the lookout to smear the BNP in any way possible, has been desperately trying to incriminate the party in this wave of violence. We state categorically that this claim is nothing but a pathetic lie of the liberal-left media.

?Blaming the BNP is attractive to media liars and head-in-the-sand politicians who refuse to address the genuine problems caused in working class communities by irresponsible mass immigration.

?But the truth of the matter is that as long as multiculturalism and uncontrolled mass immigration continues to be official policy, we will continue to see inter-communal violence and bloodshed like recently in Belfast. The race riots on the British mainland and the Belfast attacks are, unfortunately, the tip of the multicultural iceberg,? Mr Griffin continued.

moondog · 23/06/2009 19:45

And you owuld have to be a complete muppet not to see that recent mass immigration and inability of british to seal the country's borders has and will lead to trouble.

MissSunny · 23/06/2009 19:45

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londonone · 23/06/2009 19:46

kate1956 - can you provide some evidence of your facts please?

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ScaredOfEverything · 23/06/2009 19:47

moondog - i really dont think that statement is reasonable at all, or balanced. I mean teh following quote:

"But the truth of the matter is that as long as multiculturalism and uncontrolled mass immigration continues to be official policy, we will continue to see inter-communal violence and bloodshed like recently in Belfast. "

Im sorry, what? A few ignorant racists run amok, so obviously the answer is not stop letting immigration?

moondog · 23/06/2009 19:48

I'd agree with this comment left on the website too.

'The liberal media works on the assumption that if people . however different racially ,relgiously and culturally would just get to know each other in a power-neutral environnment, they would get to like each other and get on. Therefor if there is any trouble betweeen ethnic groups, it must be the work of the BNP or 'racists'.

However, this liberal assumption is false. It is more likely that close acquaintance will fuel dislike rather than liking. Diversity ipso facto causes distrust, fear and flight. Mass immigration is of itself the cause of tensions , white flight, ghettoisation and violence'

londonone · 23/06/2009 19:49

scaredofeverything - strangely the laws of this country aren't just based about what you think! By all means campaign to have the BNP made illegal but at the moment they are not and it is futile to just act as if they are.

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moondog · 23/06/2009 19:49

Read a bit more carefully Scared

'uncontrolled mass' are the key words here.

HerHonesty · 23/06/2009 19:50

sorry, i dont think its naive at all. what is considered extreme by one person is not considered extreme by another. racisim is the belief that one race is superior to another.

so to term the bnp or swp or whoever as extremist is a value judgement. to call the BNP racist is based on fact: they believe that white british people are superior to others.

just trying to make the point that the issue here is race, not extremism.

ScaredOfEverything · 23/06/2009 19:54

londonone, dont patronise me please. I did not say I made the laws.

and moondog, yes I can read. and it is "multiculturalism and uncontrolled mass". It is racist. And if you agree, then I am afraid so are you.

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 23/06/2009 19:54

Yeah, but 'uncontrolled mass immigration' is a complete BNP fiction, it's hard to come into the UK legally, and getting harder; and if you come in illegally - well, you're not going to have much of a life really....

skidoodle · 23/06/2009 19:55

But the bnp will say that they do not believe that white Brits are superior, just that mixing between races is a bad idea. They are lying of course, but the claim will be made and accepted by some.

There are very few groups that openly espouse racial superiority. The bnp are very careful to make it seem like that is not what they are about.

moondog · 23/06/2009 19:57

Heather that is complete and utter nonsense.
The UK is awash with illegal aliens and people (many indigenous) who take advantage generous social security system. These peopel of course want a better life than the miserable one they are escaping from and who can blame them>

The inalterable fact remains that this huge tensions on what is a very small piece of land. This is a fact, not an opinion.

FairLadyRantALot · 23/06/2009 19:59

SWP...what are they standing for? I must admit, I don't think I have heard about this Party...

skidoodle · 23/06/2009 20:02

But the uk and Ireland did open their borders in 2004 to let in the citizens of all 10 new eu member countries. That did indeed lead to uncontrolled immigration in larege numbers.

It was done with the specific policy aim of keeping wages at the bottom end of the economy low, and it was successful.

Is it racist to be pissed off with this policy if you are a tradesman from Britain who lost your livelihood because of competition from men who didn't have families or homes to maintain in this country, who could come and live ten to a house and repatriate their earnings to a lower wage economy in Eastern Europe?

daftpunk · 23/06/2009 20:02

socialist workers party

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 23/06/2009 20:03

Do want to talk me through how you get benefits as an illegal immigrant, moondog?

FairLadyRantALot · 23/06/2009 20:05

moondog...I think that where parties such as BNP are dangerous...because, they will state things in such a way, that they will seem reasonable....they often have leaders that know how to talk, leaders that, were they salesmen, they could sell you just about anything....
Hitler was a fantastically powerful speaker...what he said was utter tosh, and not even gramatically correct german, but the way that he said things was certainly persuasive....iykwim....

TheHeathenOfSuburbia · 23/06/2009 20:07

Well, if we don't want EU migrants - or to lose our own right to live in any country of the EU - then we have to leave the Eu, which is a whole other kettle of fish.

Want to play our shiny new 'points-based system' and see if you'd get in? www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/

FairLadyRantALot · 23/06/2009 20:07

daftpunk, what do they stand for? I know I could google...but...erm...must get Kids to bed....
but realise others have the smae to do right now....
will possibly google after they are in bed...

moondog · 23/06/2009 20:09

Oooh, go on then Heather, and I'll fill you in on how the journey starts in places like Bangladesh and Kurdistan where I know plenty of relaitives of illegal immigrants, seeing as I have spent most of my life in the developing world.

Your idea of a shit experince is nirvana to some.

Fairlady, and other leaders aren't?

If you are anti abortion, the pro choice stuff would stick in the craw somewhat.All depends on original standpoint.

daftpunk · 23/06/2009 20:12

they're an anti-fascist left wing party.

Firepile · 23/06/2009 20:14

"I have spent most of my life in the developing world."

Ah yes Moondog - free movement of capital (and those rich westerners who steward it), not so much for the workers who make the money, huh? Hurrah for the natural order of things....

HerHonesty · 23/06/2009 20:15

well technically they are a "anti-capitalist revolutionary Marxist" party. my husband would say something like, loony leftwingers with dogs on strings selling a shit newspaper that drones about workers rights and poor people.