to be thinking wtf when it's difficult to walk down a street in town these days?

[LolaTheShowgirl]

The town I used to live in and grew up in is very multicultural. Some areas of the town are majority populated by the Asian community. Now the other day myself and 2 friends were walking through a particular area trying to find somewhere. None of us had ever been in this area before, but as it was a nice day people where out and about and we did not see one non-Asian person at all. The majority of our walk was on a main road and all the people in the cars were even Asian. This itself was not a problem. The problem was the hostile stares we recieved. People looked really angry that we had dared to be white and go in their area.

One of the people who was with us looks Pakistani (although is Iranian) and apparantely one of his friends saw us and said "it's lucky those white fuckers where with you, otherwise they'd have had a good beating by someone or other"

no and i never said that it was all young white man (i still am one myself if 24 can be considered young) who would join based on these reasons.
i said it is one of the most powerful tools used by these organisations and should be adressed. because on the face of it the arguments themselves are logical (they were to me when i was 16/18 and even now when i am 24) why is it ok for a black comic to take the piss out of white people but woe betide any white comic who does the same to black people? why is it socially acceptable to comment on a persons whiteness in a derogatory way in the media but not a black person? why is it deemed socially acceptable for ethnic minorities to take pride in their race but not white people?
however most logical people realise that these things are not ok regardless of race,but it is not everyone who thinks this way.

the illogical step which 99% of people do not take is to let these hypocrisies turn themselves into racial hatred or to join any of the groups mentioned above. but for the ones who do take that illogical step it is these seemingly logical arguments which first draw them in with a sense of injustice and then their hatred is nurtured by other members of the group.
that is all i was saying needs to be adressed.i was not trying to insinuate that all young white males are helpless in the face of provocation of a dave chappelle gag.

that should end !!! oh and forgot to say was a slightly sunburned whitegirl

I think it's a chicken and egg situation. As I said, the only time i've felt hostility was in Nice.

This was also the only time when the FN (the French equivalent of the BNP) were aggressively leafleting white and non-white letterboxes alike, putting up enormous hoardings of Le Pen's face saying "hold on - we're coming!" and generally stirring things so some non-whites came to see the whites as a potential enemy.

I think there is a link here.

there as parts of oldham i would feel uncomfortable walking around in.

its not pc.

in fact just after the riots the council were pretty vehement in declaring that there were no such things as 'no go areas'

there bloody is.

I agree that OP is very far-fetched and a bit of nonsense.

But given the comments on this thread do you you all truly think that no race other than the white race has racist attitudes?

No - I imagine that there are places where it is uncomfortable to walk through, even though I have not experienced it. I just cant see (from OP's post) that a whole town would be staring at her.

Of course other races can be racist as well. DP's ex girlfriend was an Indian - she had a row with her next door neighbours and in rage called them a bunch of fing pakis.

"generally stirring things so some non-whites came to see the whites as a potential enemy.
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and that is their modus operandi for the majority of the time. they do want to instigate ethnic minorities to see whites as the enemy. because they hope this will lead to them trying to intimidate and scare other white people who will in turn see these white groups as the only means of protection. pretty much exactly the same as the new black panther movement.their hope is to turn both races against each other as then their position becomes validated.
luckily i have never lived in an area of supreme racial tension so can only imagine what france was like at the time of those elections.

erm, I find the word pakis more offensive than fucking and would have preferred to have the latter rather than the former!

But GetOrfMoiLand - she didn't say whole town was staring at her ... she said specific area of a town. If this area has had race riots and there is a lot of tension and voluntary segregation then it could be conceivable that they would be stared at, possibly aggressively or at very least with suspicion.

Of course members of other races are racist or otherwise bigoted. The Indian subcontinent was split into bits for a reason ... And I don't think anyone has disputed that on this thread.

But I find the picture painted by the OP of a unanimously racist community of any colour hard to imagine, even having been in the minority myself, on a daily basis, not just on a one-off. And nothing anyone else has said since has convinced me that I am wrong and she is right.

agree LadyAga

I think the difference between the black panther movement and the BNP - or the most obvious one, anyway - is that the panthers were responding to decades of documented and experienced racial segregation, prejudice and intimidation, whereas the BNP are responding to shite they have made up which they prop up with rare and isolated incidents.

What elections are you talking about? I was in Nice 10 years ago. These things are ongoing - they don't just flair up.

she didn't say a whole town - at least thats not the way i read it - she was walking along a street n a predominantly asian part of town.

someone said to her iranian friend that they were glad that the white fuckers were with him.

i think that the op has been expressed badly, but that to suggest that these things don't happen becuase you live in a multi ultural part of london - is in itself as narrow minded and ill informed.

these areas do exist - they don't exist in the town that i live in now. but i can well believe that the op had an experience like this.

i haven't gleened a 'profile' of the op as i can't recall any other posts of hers...i am commenting on the OP only.

if there is a history of implied racism - i don't know - but i do recognise her as pretty regular and on that basis i think perhaps the OP should have been thought through a little more as she should know that this is a place of lentil weaving grauniads

sorry i meant the le pen election. i know it's a constant thing in france but i'd imagine it was at boiling point around then.

oh and i'm talking about the new black panther movement rather than the original black panther movement of the civil rights era. the new black panther movement advocate physical violence against whites as a way to further their means and advocate racial segregation.

AND to put a balance to this - asians don't fraterise white areas either.

I didn't say I thought black on white violence was acceptable or forgiveable.

Fair enough about the new v old Black panthers - but my point remains. What they're doing is odious and unjust and all the rest - but it is based on fear and distrust and hostility which, frankly, have previously been justified.

The BNP, however, have to clutch at straws and make wild generalisations even to begin to make a case for what they do.

Custardo

I think only the most optimistic PC-addict would describe Peckham as "multicultural" in a meaningful sense. It is predominantly black African.

It is also literally famous for its gang violence and the territoriality and mistrust of outsiders that that engenders.

In three years, walking back and forth through the area on a daily basis, I never once experienced anything like what the OP claims she went through.

I grew up in Brent and there ARE places like this I can assure you, Despite being born there and living there there are some places I would no go and still would not today.

Is this the same place as the cafe with druggies in the corner?

I've had an experience a bit like the OP's when I lived - briefly - in an area of Sheffield with a massive Pakistani population. The hostility was from men, women never commented/cat-called/glared/spat.

But, just for balance, I've lived in plenty of other areas with large non-white populations and never had a problem at all. Mind you, in Shepherd's Bush I used to overhear a lot of racism, directed from (some) people of Asian and African backgrounds to (some) people of African-Carribean background.

Luton's a funny old place. Friend of mine has just moved back to look after her elderly parents, after living abroad for 20 years. She does feel out of kilter as the town has changed so much - not sure to what extent that is just her perceived discomfort and how much is genuine hostility towards her.

By LadyAga on Tue 09-Jun-09 15:12:24
erm, I find the word pakis more offensive than fucking and would have preferred to have the latter ** rather than the former!

Yes, I agree, sorry

Why is it that someone cannot say anything against someone who is Black/Aisian/Jewish (like me) without the BNP being mentioned?

I grew up in South East London and was one of five white people in my year at school. I made fantastic friends but also got quite a few unpleasent remarks about my skin, hair ect ect. This is okay - its all part of growing up but I think its incredibly unhealthy to create a situation where people cannot say anything against anyone who isn't white. You must never be afraid to speak the truth, if what happened to LolatheShowGirl is true then she must be allowed to speak about it without being made to feel bad.

Also, I have never experienced any kind of bad feeling in any area of S.E.London but that does not mean I don't believe someone else has - why do people keep compairing their own good experiences to the OPs bad one?

Sorry to get on my soap box but it's important people are able to speak about experiences they have encountered without being berrated or linked to the BNP.

pwehaps the OP was just projecting her own racist feelings on to everyone else.

I understand your point beaneb but she said she lives there and had not felt any kind of bad feeling before.