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To suggest that enforced national food rationing might help solve the nation's obesity problem?

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Lucia39 · 30/05/2009 00:13

During the period 1939-1954 the nation's diet was, apparently, the healthiest it has ever been.

So would a similar regime assist helping those who are increasingly "dimensionally challenged"?

Vegetables, fruit, and pulses would be more freely available but meat, dairy produce, sugar and fats would be strictly rationed.

Any thoughts?

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edam · 31/05/2009 12:00

If the government proposed taxing fatty food much more heavily, they would have to bring down the cost of healthy food and tackle food deserts where poor people just can't get to decent shops rather than the Spar or Farmfoods (which are more expensive than big supermarkets and don't have a great range).

People in poverty may not have a car, or may not be able to afford petrol, and bus fares are bloody expensive - £3.30 to go one mile on my local service.

Otherwise it would just push people who desperately need to fill their families up on as little money as possible into slow starvation.

Chips are a lot more filling than salad and if you are desperately short of money, it makes sense to go for the former rather than leave your kids hungry.

scottishmummy · 31/05/2009 12:05

hospital canteen,chips £1.salad bar £1 per portion!chips cheaper as a meal.how does that happen?

sarah293 · 31/05/2009 12:06

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expatinscotland · 31/05/2009 12:09

'My mother never developed the taste for sweet things though ebcause of WWII. For the rest of her life she never ate a pudding, chocolate or sweets.'

My ILs did, particularly my FIL.

MIL said it was semi-starvation, particulary for the hundreds of thousands in Edinburgh and Glasgow still living in 4 and 5 story tenements with no gardens.

edam · 31/05/2009 12:09

I'd vote for you, Riven!

Judy1234 · 31/05/2009 12:10

But it's not really about salad and surely only those who are relative rich eat in canteens? Sometimes it sounds like the poor don't know they are born. If i can take food out in plastic containers and my student daughters I don't see why the poor can't get up 10 minutes early to pack a lunch and avoid the canteen.

it's not a lack of fruit and veg which is causing obesity. It's people eating processed foods. If they ate baked potatoes, brown rice, pasta with tinned sardines or tuna fish or beans and those huge bags of raw carrots we buy each week I would have tbought most of the poor could afford that. What's wrong with walking a mile with a heavy bag. Isn't that exactly what they ought to be doing to get exercise plus to carry home all that heavy food?

edam · 31/05/2009 12:15

My sister's a nurse, often doesn't have time for a cup of tea all day, let alone a lunch break. She comes home dehydrated and starving. VERY difficult to then have the energy to cook a healthy meal - hardly surprising a lot of nurses don't have a great diet.

And when you are getting up at 5.30 to get to work, after a nightshift the day before, it is not really tempting to get up even earlier to make a packed lunch you will never have the time to eat.

Ten minutes in the canteen would be luxury for my sister - not that she has a canteen anyway as she's not in a hospital.

Xenia, if you talked to people who actually know about nutrition - dietitians - you would hear that fruit and veg are important as they displace unhealthier food as a proportion of your diet. And provide vitamins and nutrients.

scottishmummy · 31/05/2009 12:17

i am pointing out that despite knowledge and campaigns in RL the unhealthy choice is cheaper

so ironically only got a £1 in pocket - chips cheaper not healthy option

dittany · 31/05/2009 12:18

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scottishmummy · 31/05/2009 12:19

obesity and wt gain are increasing esp in paediatrics,with health implications.

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expatinscotland · 31/05/2009 12:37

I love how Xenia refers to low-income people are 'the poor' and 'they' or 'them'.

scottishmummy · 31/05/2009 12:38

maybe she cant be arsed to type lumpen proletariat

Lucia39 · 31/05/2009 12:50

dizietsma Quote ["People were fat during the war, OP."] End quote

Yes there were some "fat" people, although as Morloth has pointed out not everyone who is now classed as "fat" is necessarily unhealthy. However, there was nothing like the number of obese people then that we see today. I think we also have to bear in mind that what is now deemed "fat" would not have been regarded as such in earlier historical periods [look at Titian's beauties as an example]! However, modern [fashion-oriented] notions about being "fat" are not the same as the medical evidence that defines obesity.

If you look at photographs or watch footage taken in Britain during the first three decades of the 20th century it is clear that many people were, what we might now term "large" but for working people the factors surrounding this were different from those pertaining today. For many there were prolonged periods of great hunger, this meant a good diet could not be sustained all the time. The Unemployment Assistance Board was established in 1934 to help the able-bodied unemployed but the means test was applied.

For women regular child-bearing [with the limited obstetric and gynaecological help for working women took a heavy toll] and there was very limited health care [remember you had to pay for the doctor pre 1948]. Neither should we forget the sheer effort that house-work required. As I mentioned in an earlier post there was insurance legislation but this was limited and not especially generous.

dizietsma Quote ["Black markets arise whenever things are prohibited. I don't think increasing the power and money organised crime can make off prohibition and rationing of certain food is worth the risk."] End quote

Of course they do and there was a thriving Black Market during rationing in the UK. However, there were hefty prison sentences for those who were caught using it or working in it, although this didn't prevent people from doing so! Given the monumental nature of the events that were taking place during WW2 itself there was also a lot of Government propaganda, much of which was aimed at uniting the nation in a common cause and promoting the idea of fairness for all. This material also promoted social opprobrium against those who were involved in such practices as these were presented as undermining the war effort.

dizietsma Quote ["Also, helping lower obesity should probably be addressed with education, psychological and financial support. Some people are genuinely ignorant of what is healthy, so we need to make sure that hard to reach (often illiterate) portion of the population is educated "] End quote.

I concur that education is paramount. However, decades ago people were also semi-literate and poorly educated but they knew what to eat [when they could afford it] because the skills had been passed on down the generations.

Your own personal history is an example of an "eating disorder" brought on by trauma in childhood. We know from personal testimonies that such traumas are nothing new. It is therefore highly probable that people in earlier historical periods manifested their "coping mechanisms" as well, albeit in different ways. Unlike today, if a person was poor in 1932 they didn't have the same access to relatively cheap, widely available food in the myriad forms available today. Thus the person would have had to find another way of dealing with the issues arising from such childhood experiences. And of course they did!

I also have to agree with Xenia, duchesse, and other contributors who have mentioned the cost of foods. As to edam's comment about chips being more filling than salad. I would suggest that a jacket potato and salad would fulfill both functions for a hungry child and provide a healthy and balanced meal!

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nevergoogledragonbutter · 31/05/2009 12:51

oh fgs lucia, it's a beautiful sunny day. no one in their right mind it going to read that post.

short and sweet works.

laweaselmys · 31/05/2009 13:11

Also you have not explained how I am not going to die with a hyperactive metabolism and less food. I'd be delighted to know. (Really it will save me money - and drug companies don't seem to be interested in making products for underweight people)

Lucia39 · 31/05/2009 13:13

edam Quote["My sister's a nurse, often doesn't have time for a cup of tea all day, let alone a lunch break. She comes home dehydrated and starving. VERY difficult to then have the energy to cook a healthy meal - hardly surprising a lot of nurses don't have a great diet.] End quote
Oh give us a break please. How many more relatives with their attendant personal histories are you going to regale us with? Didntt we have enough of that last night?

edam Quote["And when you are getting up at 5.30 to get to work, after a nightshift the day before, it is not really tempting to get up even earlier to make a packed lunch you will never have the time to eat. Ten minutes in the canteen would be luxury for my sister - not that she has a canteen anyway as she's not in a hospital"] End quote

Are you seriously suggesting that your sibling never has a break on any shift that she works? I think her Union rep might be interested to hear about that!

edam Quote ["Xenia, if you talked to people who actually know about nutrition - dietitians - you would hear that fruit and veg are important as they displace unhealthier food as a proportion of your diet. And provide vitamins and nutrients."] End quote

edam do please make your mind up!
Last night you were insistent that, according to your revered godmother, war time rationing was "unhealthy" yet during war-time people ate a great more fruit and veg (a) to bulk up and (b) to obtain all those vitamins and nutrients.

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Lucia39 · 31/05/2009 13:17

dittany: I don't think Xenia was advocating that pensioners and the infirm should be forced to slog for miles laden with heavy shopping bags. However, I think she's made a valid point about the able-bodied!

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scottishmummy · 31/05/2009 13:25

hungry,dehydrated nurse,no break greater than 10min,where does she work then?

time she spoke to her union rep

Morloth · 31/05/2009 13:27

Lucia39 - you are becoming the queen of the tl:dr

Lucia39 · 31/05/2009 13:30

Morloth: I don't know what that means although I'm assuming it may be pejorative!

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MachuPicchu · 31/05/2009 13:31

TL; DR = too long; didn't read

scottishmummy · 31/05/2009 13:33

mioaw!refrain from acerbic acronyms or you risk being a pita

Morloth · 31/05/2009 13:36

I like acronyms! I also rather enjoy being a PITA!

OK, well on most forums I frequent we use Teal Dear.

expatinscotland · 31/05/2009 13:36

And the cut and paste, but without the quotations marks.

TL;DR.