To suggest that enforced national food rationing might help solve the nation's obesity problem?

[Lucia39]

During the period 1939-1954 the nation's diet was, apparently, the healthiest it has ever been.

So would a similar regime assist helping those who are increasingly "dimensionally challenged"?

Vegetables, fruit, and pulses would be more freely available but meat, dairy produce, sugar and fats would be strictly rationed.

Any thoughts?

the habitual cut n paste is irksome.

*Deer not Dear. Not that it makes any more sense that way.

teal deer sounds like exotic colourful highland beastie

I agree with nevergoogledragonbutter Why are you on yr computer on such a glorious weekend Lucia39 I'm popping in as I'm Goodhousekeeping flying and doing my 'to do list'

I was answering Xenia's post, not yours, Lucia.

And FWIW union reps can't do much about NHS trusts not employing enough staff to look after the patients and fill in all the paperwork ? however outrageous it is that people don't get a meal break (my sister is far from alone, just using her as an e.g.).

I knew this will happen. I came to this thread and... i got hungry . The more we talk about food the more we create problem.

solid is -as always - right about the diet industry.

I have said this on other threads too: food should be simple and pleasant experience. cook, put it on the table, eat as a family. The minute you start the endless talk about food, reading tons of books on how to feed toddlers, buying 'alpaphet pasta for kids' and 'diet food' for adults, ban foods and use the word control ...it all goes wrong.

edam,a union rep can raise a caes,written submission,request a management meeting.

you raise 2 separate points
1 having no break/insufficent break is illegal,and can legitimately be challenged
2 if there isnt enough staff to pts.she should raise to union.cite examples keep dates.raise clinical safety.

a hungry dehydrated nurse is of no use to anyone.not her pts not herelf

she needs to report this

Not in favour of enforced anything much; you never know who'll be doing the enforcing, but if there were to be enforced rationing surely the more pressing issue would be forced international rationing to solve the world's starving-to-death problem?

Problem is, she already tried raising an issue over patient care, and got very badly treated indeed. Not really worth her while raising another and risking her job or any future jobs when it is only her who suffers, not patients, IYSWIM.

Senior managers don't give a toss about her unit as it's separate from the main hospital site and 'only' looks after people with learning disabilities, who are discriminated against by the NHS as much as the rest of society.

yes the priorities are all skewed towards money.LD is an underfunded specialism.it is diabolical to treat a professional like this

i get what you are driving at,but to an extent putting up with it doesn't make it go away

anyone want to babysit ill DD1, teething and ropey DS for me so I can go out?!

please.

I'm out of breath because I was vigorously gardening and I haven't read all the above but I often have challenging work days like the nurse mentioned above. Since I changed my diet and changed how I felt and realised how important eating well was for me I stay up the night before to make my breakfast to eat on the plane or the 6am train or whatever the night before and take it. If I think i will be getting a traing back after a 10 hour working day which is common for lots of men and women even single parents with 5 children like me, yes you do have to think ahead, realise a sandwich on the train might be expensive and not very good for you. Obviously people's tastes vary but I will often be eating a can of tuna fish, 3 raw carrots and a handful of brown rice in my little tupperware container. As I cook the rice every few days it really doesn't take long to put into the container and it's not that expensive. How long does it take to peel a carrot? Not long and to ppen a can of tuna drain it and put it in the bag - about 2 mins at most. I don't see why the nurse can't do that or do you need my IQ and income in order to be bothered or care? People surely aren't saying that?

For the first time in the history of the planet humans have just moved over from more being dying of hunger and more being ill from stuffing themselves silly with unhealthy foods. It's a global issue and it's in large part caused by eating the wrong foods, not quantities, not exercise but the wrong foods, bad foods.

It would take the nurse about 1 minute to eat some oat cakes and cheese or whatever healthy snack she wants to take in. Don't see why that can't be done.

And it's not nurses not getting enough meals who are the problem but people stuffing themselves all day, no breakfast, but buying chocoalte crossait at work; twix with their coffee break; then out to lunch with friends at lunch break; then cakes round teh office in the afternoon because it's someone's birthday, then home to an enormous dinner, then in front of the TV drinkig and with crisps, day in day out. Enormous portions too.

But do watch my TV link above - it was a useful programme about weight.

I'm out of breath because I was vigorously gardening and I haven't read all the above but I often have challenging work days like the nurse mentioned above. Since I changed my diet and changed how I felt and realised how important eating well was for me I stay up the night before to make my breakfast to eat on the plane or the 6am train or whatever the night before and take it. If I think i will be getting a traing back after a 10 hour working day which is common for lots of men and women even single parents with 5 children like me, yes you do have to think ahead, realise a sandwich on the train might be expensive and not very good for you. Obviously people's tastes vary but I will often be eating a can of tuna fish, 3 raw carrots and a handful of brown rice in my little tupperware container. As I cook the rice every few days it really doesn't take long to put into the container and it's not that expensive. How long does it take to peel a carrot? Not long and to ppen a can of tuna drain it and put it in the bag - about 2 mins at most. I don't see why the nurse can't do that or do you need my IQ and income in order to be bothered or care? People surely aren't saying that?

For the first time in the history of the planet humans have just moved over from more being dying of hunger and more being ill from stuffing themselves silly with unhealthy foods. It's a global issue and it's in large part caused by eating the wrong foods, not quantities, not exercise but the wrong foods, bad foods.

It would take the nurse about 1 minute to eat some oat cakes and cheese or whatever healthy snack she wants to take in. Don't see why that can't be done.

And it's not nurses not getting enough meals who are the problem but people stuffing themselves all day, no breakfast, but buying chocoalte crossait at work; twix with their coffee break; then out to lunch with friends at lunch break; then cakes round teh office in the afternoon because it's someone's birthday, then home to an enormous dinner, then in front of the TV drinkig and with crisps, day in day out. Enormous portions too.

But do watch my TV link above - it was a useful programme about weight.

I would if I was nearer Expat.

And Xenia you do have some valid points but could you possibly go more than a few posts without mentioning your income?

It is relevant though isn't it? IN the UK your class/income is the biggest factor in whetehr you're fat or slim. Nowadays the poor tend to be fat and the rich a healthy weight. Compare Scotland - mars bars fried and average weight in the Kensington.

Yes it is relevant but why can't you simply say a high income or iq? Why do you have to use yours as a comparison. We know you're wealthy, no need to remind us.

the only people eating fried mars bars in scotland are english and american lardy tourists

deep fried mars bar not an oft served dish xenia

Just noticed the Mars Bars thing. I've never known anyone who has tried one and I've never seen anywhere that sells them.
As Scottishmummy says they are mostly eaten by tourists.

ive tried one
several times

clamshell royal mile Edinburgh sell deep fried mars bar to hordes of queueing tourists

wet boak.a calorific nightmare.your annual cholesterol consumption in one sitting

What about Oprah? She is intelligent and rich. What about Christina Onassis? Multimillions and she was struggling all her life with diets. Someone earlier mentioned the emotional factor.

And can you all stop saying that there is only 'fat' or 'healthy'.

There is 'obese'(unhealthy), 'curvy'(healthy), 'average weigh' (healthy), underweight (unhealthy).

Yes there is diabetes but also there is osteoporosis and loss of fertility

Raise's hand - I have eaten a deep fried Mars Bar - does it help that it was homemade? Well the batter/frying part (obviously don't have own Mars Bar factory...).

What can I say? We were young, it was late, we were drunk and you would be amazed at the things that seem like a good idea at that point

Plenty of equally revolting things available all over the UK - 'London pizza' for eg in the NE (pizza with chips on it - personally have never seen the like in London but that is its name!)

I don't think I could eat a deep fried Mars Bar. They sound absolutely revolting.

at London pizza. No, I lived in London for 10 years and never saw one of those!

The thing is though - there are things which aren't healthy, which people eat for pleasure. I made cakes this week. They were very nice. It doesn't mean a) I'm even overweight or b) I'm inferior to someone who eats nothing but lentils. People should be able to have the odd unhealthy meal, have treats etc. And they can do this and stay in the healthy weight range.

It's equally important you're not underweight.

I was reading this article this morning. It's infuriating, then read the final paragraph. Why isn't that sort of dietary habit equally frowned on? It's also unhealthy.