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To think that if you cannot afford free range chicken/turkey meat and eggs...

755 replies

LolaTheShowgirl · 27/05/2009 09:31

...then don't buy at all?

I mean the suffering these birds go through in cramped, dirty sheds is unbelievable. There is usually no natural light and the birds are usually ill before they're culled.

If you can stomach it, please look at these:
WARNING: NOT NICE PICTURES!
HERE

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expatinscotland · 27/05/2009 13:16

I don't buy non-FR meat, LaurieFairy, so I don't see why the nasty post directed towards me.

We give her what she will eat otherwise she will starve herself and I'll have social services on my back.

'I find it hard to understand that some people can't follow a recipe in a library book but I'm sure it can be the case.'

My husband can't. He is so dyslexic he finds reading a real struggle and his dyspraxia makes it incredibly hard for him to follow a written sequence of instructions.

LaurieFairyCake · 27/05/2009 13:18

I wasn't being nasty at all. Where? I thought you made a good point that she won't eat and I responded saying that of course she should take precedence over a chicken

ItsGrimUpNorth · 27/05/2009 13:19

You can't teach him how to cook without writing it down?

bronze · 27/05/2009 13:20

Someone mentioned allotments earlier but they're not always accessible so thought I would post this which some of you may remember from H f-ws programs

Lucia39 · 27/05/2009 13:22

shineoncrazydiamond - if you haven't made a will you're not lazy but, in my opinion, you are irresponsible.

expatinscotland · 27/05/2009 13:23

'You can't teach him how to cook without writing it down?'

He learned at school, ItsGrim. The basics.

But he cannot follow a recipe.

He uses a DS Lite cooking programme and YouTube.

And if you tried to show him without writing it down you'd have to supervise him step by step because he can't remember sequences very well.

Hence, why he uses the DS and YouTube, which can be paused and replayed.

But he doesn't do much cooking now mainly because he usually works back shift.

Why is everyone assuming that those who don't agree with the OP at feckless fuckwits who don't cook at all and buy unethically produced meat?

sarah293 · 27/05/2009 13:23

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lovelyboy · 27/05/2009 13:23

Shineon will you do me a massive favour. I know this is not right to 'x'. You mentioned the other day you were a copper. R u really one.Do me a favour and go to post Ex-P Not looking after ds property. Please Please. What do you think? SORRY I KNOW THIS IS WRONG BUT DESPARATE

expatinscotland · 27/05/2009 13:24

She doesn't like chicken at all, Laurie .

Yesterday's tea was a cannellini bean and chicken (leftover from a roast) chilli over brown rice (I ate the leftovers for breakfast) and she just picked all the beans out and eat the rice.

GetOrfMoiLand · 27/05/2009 13:24

Helsbels - you made a very good point about having to feed 2 kids with wildly different tastes.

Thunderduck · 27/05/2009 13:27

Does he use Videojug Expat? I find that helpful and there are a lot of great recipes on it. I'm also dyspraxic.

helsbels4 · 27/05/2009 13:29

Thank you . I did ask for ideas on what to feed them as their tastes vary wildly and I can't afford decent meat but nobody suggested anything!

Wallace · 27/05/2009 13:29

Near the beginning of the thread (sorry haven't read it all [everyone roll their eyes at Wallace emoticon]) people wee saying that free range egss don't cost much more than caged.

Bollocks!

Tesco value £1.45 for 15 (were only a pound until recently too)

Tesco free range £2.64 for 12

that is a big difference in price. Ideally we buy the free range. Occasionally we have no choice but too buy the value ones.

expatinscotland · 27/05/2009 13:31

Yes, he doesn, Thunderduck! Very helpful, too.

The DS is great because of its portability, of course.

But what I was trying to point out is that yes, some people cannot follow recipes out of books.

Also, for many dyspraxics, they have to do something over and over and over, more than an NT person, to really learn it and remember it so they can repeat it.

So teaching them to cook is more challenging.

Not that it can't be done, but that it's wrong to assume everyone can just follow a recipe or take a basic cooking course and be a-okay.

He also has severe dyslexia.

DD1 is also dyspraxic and now appears (she'll be 6 and just entering school in August) to be showing dyslexic and dysgraphic traits herself.

bronze · 27/05/2009 13:33

helsbels what do you currently feed them?

Thunderduck · 27/05/2009 13:33

Great post Expat.

I can just about follow a recipe from a book but I forget what I've just read within a few seconds so it takes me forever to do it.

And I've only just learned to cook in the past year or so and I'm 24.

Perhaps I should get a DS.

sarah293 · 27/05/2009 13:34

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Marne · 27/05/2009 13:34

I buy free range eggs but can't always afford free range or Organic Meat, We eat a mixture of Organic and non-organic Veg and fruit, i buy what i can afford and there's no way i';m going without meat just because i can't afford free range.

The price of a free range organic joint of meat (enough to feed the family) would cost me around half the price of my shopping budget leaving us with nothing to eat for the rest of the week and nothing for the children's lunch boxes.

Dd1 doesn't eat a lot of meat as she has AS and is very fussy with food, she wont chew most meats unless in the form of a sausage and it must be a plain sausage (no herbs) and it must be the right colour (not too dark).

Dd2 will eat most foods, i try and feed her free range when i can she also eats fish and most Veg.

I don't really care what people decide to feed their children (thats up to them), not everyone can afford to feed their family on free range and organic food just like some of us can't afford to dress our children in Boden clothes. I feed my children the best food i can as i'm sure most parents do but is it really anybody elses buisness to judge what people are feeding their children?

RumourOfAHurricane · 27/05/2009 13:35

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Lucia39 · 27/05/2009 13:36

Purely as a point of information, some years ago there was a discussion on Radio4 about organic v. non-organic meat production. The prices of feed, amount of meat consumed etc was discussed and it was estimated that if all British meat production became organic it would increase the price per kg by around 30 pence. Given that this was some years ago you could probably double that to 60-65p. So for peace of mind and a more environmentally sound method none of us would be paying a great deal more for our meat. Organic production might also encourage us to utilise other sources of protein.

We all now realise that a diet that contains large quantities of meat is neither healthy [bowel cancer] nor environmentally sustainable.

expatinscotland · 27/05/2009 13:36

'I can just about follow a recipe from a book but I forget what I've just read within a few seconds so it takes me forever to do it.'

Yeah, that just trips me out about dyspraxia, Thunder.

He really does forget more easily and that is exasperating sometimes.

I have to make him lists if he needs to run errands whilst out - we live in a rural area and have only one car and if he has a really late shift he has to use it - but he has to keep checking it and I usually text him, too, to remind him .

sleepyeyes · 27/05/2009 13:36

Lucia39 'As to cook books - didn't Delia produce a basic "how to do it" book a few years ago? Of course any book presupposes a degree of comprehension and literacy on the part of the reader!'

You are WAY out of order to suggest that not being able to afford means you have a lower level of education and can't read!
And Delia recently produced a book on budget cooking that advocates using tins and whichever type of meat you can afford.

One of the nasties sentences I've seen on MN.

Thunderduck · 27/05/2009 13:38

My short term memory is really bad too. Bloody awful actually. But give me a decade or so and I'll remember every tiny detail of a minor event.

How are his knife skills Expat? Mine are very poor but I'm ridiculously pleased with myself because I can cook now. Even if it takes me forever.
I get very when people watch me cooking and laugh.

expatinscotland · 27/05/2009 13:39

He and DD1 have DS Lites, Thunder. They're great, especially for hand-eye coordination!

DD1 is an ace with hers and with her digital camera, she just tires a bit more easily whilst holding a pencil or pen and has a lot of trouble with numbers and sequencing.

But thankfully the support out here is great and I'll met the area learning support team next week (there are 2 other students going into her P1 class that have learning challenges and 2 more in the amalgamated P2 class).

Morloth · 27/05/2009 13:40

Slightly OTT

Riven have been meaning to ask you how your daughter is getting on the keto diet - has it helped at all? Hope so!

Can I ask what she is eating if you are doing low carb veggie? Always looking for new ideas.

LOL most of the vegetable protein sources listed on this thread, I use as carb sources.

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