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AIBU?

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to be seriously tempted to tell dd she doesn't have to do her project?

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emkana · 06/05/2009 23:12

She's not even eight yet.
She's in Yr 3.
The project is about climate zones (yawn).

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ingles2 · 07/05/2009 13:15

What do you mean Milly?
homework, reinforces what they've done during the day. communicates to the parents what they've done.
It can extend their curriculum to things they would never cover in school in project work
How would that not benefit all children?

stuffitlllama · 07/05/2009 13:16

actually, it's not "the few" like him

there are lots lots and I feel sorry for them

ingles2 · 07/05/2009 13:19

I didn't say ds2 was a happy homeworker. It's taken a lot of encouragement to get him to do it. Thankfully his teacher has allowed him to choose his own subject which does make a huge difference.
Of course I understand it's difficult to fit it in around younger children, but we're talking 1.5 hours a week here! That's less than 15 mins a day!

Sassybeast · 07/05/2009 13:22

YABU. At what point will you be teaching her that there are SOME things in life which might be a PITA but we still have to do them. Homework like this doesn't have to be boring. Give her a digital camera and let her take some photos. Buy her some plsticine and help her make some models. Take her to the libarary and let her loose. Use your imagination.

I wouldn't be a bloody teacher for all the tea in China. They get abuse for not doing enough and they get abuse for encouraging kids to learn.

stuffitlllama · 07/05/2009 13:23

I was being more general ingles, sorry if you took offence

it doesn't benefit all children ingles, it really doesn't

it's a lovely idea but it doesn't

ingles2 · 07/05/2009 13:29

don't apolgise Stuffit... no offence taken. Rhino hide here

stuffitlllama · 07/05/2009 13:31

am mnetting while I wait for glue to dry on an extinct animals project

BCNS · 07/05/2009 13:39

I can see why you feel like being tempted to tell her she doesn't have to do the homework.

I wonder if it's looking at it as a whole.. all seems like they may not get to the end of it.

DS2 recently had a roman project to do.. he needed to write enough to do a 5 minute presentation. ( which was really scarey for him). He has dyslexia.. and was panicking not only about how much he'd have to write.. but if he'd be able to read it out.

so we took it all in chunks.. we built a shield.. in the same way that the romans would have.. ( so he could remember the process).. we looked up the bit's it needed on it like the boss etc.. and then put them on.. so he could hands on memories of why etc.

He used voice regognition.. to type up what he wanted to say.. and then typed up his own bullet points from that.

anyway.. the point is.. it taught him a lot more than just the project. ie. how to prioritise, organise, methods and stratigies on how to pass some of his SEN. and he learnt a whole loads about the romans

and actually it was time that we both really enjoyed.. particulalry suprising as he is a reluctant homeworker.

ingles2 · 07/05/2009 13:42

I could help you with that.....

Rafi · 07/05/2009 13:42

If you do tell your DD she doesn't have to do the project, what are you going to say to her teacher?

And if there were plans to make a display from the homework or something like that, would your DD feel unhappy at having nothing to show?

troutpout · 07/05/2009 13:50

yanbu
Let her do as much as she wants and give her any encouragement necessary to do something. As for standing over her for hour after painful hour( can you tell i've been there) ...well...i'm with you on that one i think

MillyR · 07/05/2009 14:06

Ingles2, what I mean is that I am capable of thinking up things that I think a person should know about and then thinking up opportunities for them to learn about those things. In fact, I can think up better ways of learning than looking something up on the internet and writing it out on some bits of paper.

I agree that at secondary school there is not enough time in the school day to cover all the curriculum required to get good exam grades, and so teachers, who are experts in exam requirements should set homework.

But primary school age children shouldn't have exams as their main focus. They should be learning all the time, and it is a basic skill of a parent to know how to teach them about the world.

I didn't think 'ooh, I'll have a child even though I'm entirely vacuous and a cultural blank, and I'll pass nothing on to them and let the school be totally responsible for their education.'

I actually do have ideas and interests and areas of specialisms of my own, and some of them are shock! horror! not on the incredibly narrow national curriculum. Even the things on the national curriculum I do feel fairly capable of passing on to my children.

I know what my child can and cannot do, what their strengths and weaknesses are, and how they can learn in conjunction with me and their sibling. I don't need to be given a project by a school.

Here's my son's latest project: he is rearing six chickens, looks after them, and is collecting and selling their eggs himself. I suspect he has learnt a lot more about responsibility, commitment, biology and maths than copying something out off the internet and handing it in to a teacher.

ingles2 · 07/05/2009 14:14

Oh I see!
So what you're saying Milly is that actually you'll completely disregard what the school is doing, because you know exactly how your children should be taught and there is no validity in extending the curriculum work sideways, artistically or creatively?
And because I choose to do that I'm vacuous and culturally blank?

singersgirl · 07/05/2009 14:30

Well, I have a lot of sympathy for Emkana here. My heart always sinks when I hear, "We've got a project for the next 3 weeks." IME, in Y3 or even Y4, it takes loads of time even with fairly keen children.

DS2, also Y3, recently completed one and of course I had to sit there helping him sift through the stuff he found on the Internet, take him to the library, look things up with him in our reference books, suggest topics he might like to add, find a picture of him for his 'About the author' page...

It does teach them valuable things about organisation and planning, but in my view they could learn that much more quickly at 11 with no ill effects. When I was at school we did projects, but all in school time.

MillyR · 07/05/2009 14:57

Ingles2, I don't think there is anything novel in a parent knowing exactly how to educate their own 10 year old. Homeschoolers do it all the time. It is not the same as saying I could teach 30 children at once or that I could teach a 17 year old A level french; I certainly couldn't do either.

And I am not disregarding the school; I am aware of what they are teaching my children and I appreciate them sending home mock papers in the run up to KS2 SATs. But the school curriculum only teaches part of what I want my children to learn and what he wants to learn, even within the academic sphere. So most of the time I don't need them sending home prescriptive and time consuming requests. Fortunately they only bother with homework in the 2 weeks before the SATs.

I don't see how any of this is contentious.

katiestar · 07/05/2009 18:57

In our school the children of that age do it themselves in schooltime on the intrernet and from library books.Isn't learning how to research the point of the exercise ?

stuffitlllama · 07/05/2009 19:14

Katie, I agree.

Also I like the teacher who said teachers have enough to do without marking parents work so STOP!

stuffitlllama · 07/05/2009 19:14

obviously parents' work

stuffitlllama · 07/05/2009 19:27

also I disagree about the repetitive worksheet thing

it doesn't matter if the parents find it boring and sterile, and as so many project-keen parents say it's important for children to learn there are some things which they may find dull but which they have to do

worksheets may be excruciating for the parents, but homework isn't set for parents, it's set so that children can reinforce learning, even heaven forfend learn something off by heart, by rote, whatever you like to call it

FairLadyRantALot · 07/05/2009 19:35

Is this year 3 in UK or in Germany? Just, because it would be a different age group...
tbh, it sounds like quite an interesting project....
my es school used to do this project thing, and his teachers encouraged to make it a joint parent/child effort and hence actually creating family time

onebatmother · 07/05/2009 22:04

yes, i think that's the general idea in our school flral.
We're supposed to work together on the bigger stuff at this stage, in order to model 'being interested in learning new things'..

Actually, it has worked well. They get team points for anything even vaguely related to that term's topic that they bring in from home, in order to encourage the idea that learning is ongoing and self-directed, and not just for homework night. I think. At least that's how I've interpreted it.

onebatmother · 07/05/2009 22:05

DS is yr 2 btw.

emkana · 09/05/2009 20:47

So today dd was sat working but also staring out wistfully at her brother and sister playing in the garden...

just doesn't feel right

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FairLadyRantALot · 09/05/2009 20:49

make it a family effort...make it fun...

emkana · 09/05/2009 20:51

really can't see how
ds is not even three yet and hardly speaking, not really bothered by the rainforest

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