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to think this woman's misguided to say the least?!

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Floopy21 · 16/04/2009 09:54

www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/melanie_reid/article6101189.ece

OP posts:
Stayingsunnygirl · 21/04/2009 08:59

"Statistics are not needed to back this up - it's called many years' experience working on labour ward every day."

Eeky - this is the sentence that makes me believe that you are choosing to rely on anecdotal evidence rather than factual. Yes, your anecdote is true, but that says nothing whatsoever about how many homebirths end up in such deliveries - and that is the important fact that you are choosing to ignore.

It would be far more convincing if you were able to tell us how many homebirths there are in your catchment area, and how many of those end up in deliveries such as the one that you describe. Or if you could show us statistics to prove that homebirths end up in such deliveries "every single day, to a minority of very unfortunate women."

I have done a brief search, and have come up with a host of articles on homebirth. One, a 5 year prospective study of risk of booking for a home birth in Essex, states:

"This study compared 202 women who booked home births with a similar group of women booked for hospital births. The hospital group had more episiotomies, second-degree tears, and more babies in the hospital group were in poor condition at birth (Apgar 7 or below). No deaths occurred in either group. The induction rate was 8% in the home group and 19% in the hospital group; it seems reasonable to assume that these women all transferred to hospital for induction. Presumably the lower induction rate before onset of labour could reflect more opposition to induction among women booking a home birth, and less pressure for induction from midwives.

The results of this study showed no evidence of an increased risk associated with home confinements but indicated that there were fewer problems than were encountered in the deliveries in mothers confined in hospital."

More episiotomies, more inductions, more second degree tears, more poor apgar scores. These are facts, based on the evidence. There's another study based at the Whittington in London, about homebirths round there, which found, amongst other things, that whilst more first time mothers did transfer into hospital, many gave birth at home, with little or no intervention - I would be interested to see how many first time mothers do this in hospital.

The full list of all the research articles on the site I found are http://www.homebirth.org.uk/ here, under the Research heading. I have not read them all - I haven't had my first cup of coffee yet and at 8.53am and caffeineless, it was beyond me, I'm afraid.

19fran76 · 21/04/2009 12:33

I happen to believe in the 'politically correct' notion of informed choice & wish, as far as is practicable, to retain control of as many of the choices regarding labour & birth as possible. I felt that a homebirth would best realise this wish.

Being geographically close to hospital, meant that in the event of an emergency I would have been seen quickly & I do not believe that I placed myself or my child at unnecessary additional risk. I was closely & continuously monitored by midwives. This level of care would not have been possible at my local maternity unit.

It is not a matter of labelling doctors negatively. Although I stated earlier that they are not infallible, this does not mean that I do not respect the hard & invaluable work that they do. I also understand resentment re: over-stretched resources, however my priority was to make what I felt to be the best available choice for myself & my child.

I do not wish to judge other women on their preferences in childbirth & simply want the same courtesy in return. Implying that any mother would place themselves & child wilfully at risk is provocative at best.

duchesse · 21/04/2009 12:40

I think this resources argument is a red herring anyway. How many times in their life do people require maternity care- maybe 2 or 3 for most. And that's only 50% of the population. If maternity is staffed on the premise that most women can be left hooked up to artificial monitoring for most of their labour, then that is where the problem lies - not with those women who forgo the (very) relative peace of mind of having instant medical help to hand, for the more obvious rewards of having the same known qualified birth assistant throughout most of their labour.

MoreSpamThanGlam · 21/04/2009 13:31

You know what REALLY annoys me?

Is that one group telling the other group that they are WRONG. As long as it is an informed and educated choice then fair enough.

There are women who have said if they had been at home they would have had a better chance of a normal vaginal birth instead of forceps, cs etc and there are those that have said if they had been at home their baby would have died.

Valid points from both. But to insult another womans choice and make it personal (sandles, spoilt etc) is low and should be beneath us as adults.

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