... to find the idea that women choose men for their money insulting?

[goodnightmoon]

a new study says women's orgasms are linked to the size of their partners' bank balances.

I am so fed up with reading all the time about how women select their mates solely for financial reasons. I never considered marrying a man for money. I was brought up to have my own career and make my own money.

I know there are obvious examples of young, beautiful women and hideous older rich men. I'm not saying some women don't do this.

But on a broader basis, isn't more true that men capable of making money are simply more attractive partners for many reasons, such as intelligence, confidence, attractiveness, etc.?

Did you choose your partner because of his bank balance?

I'm usually quite keen on these evolutionary psychology studies, but this one just doesn't look very convincing to me.

I don't think the authors sound terribly convinced either TBH.

Okay, the main premise of the study seems to be to ascertain if female orgasm has a functional design - either direct adaptation or by-product. The findings of the study - the biggest numbers so far in such a srudy I think - seem to show evidence of functional desogn, which may mean direct adaptation. It is not attempting to say anything definitive about women per say and they even say, I quote,

"The data produced so far, while apparently consistent with
an adaptive role for female orgasm, are far from definitive."

Stand down people. At ease.

I know they authors. They are good guys. Honest

But it is interesting. I did raise an eyebrow when they told me about it last year. I have also learnt not to trust first instincts and keep an open mind though

But I have a lot of sympathy for what Iorek said onthe other thread "Hmm. Maybe. Or maybe the partners of wealthy men are just rather less likely to arrive in bed completely knackered having spent every hour of the day working for a living, cooking, cleaning, looking after kids etc."

and Fattiemama "f Dp opened his wallet and a few thousand fell out i'd orgams right there and then!"

me too I think!

The data is consistent with the orgasm being adaptive. I wouldnt put it stronger than that. And neither would the authors.

Interested in your use of the word 'design' which I would have thought would have been avoided in any discussion of evolution these days.

In what way stand down BTW? Isnt it good that were discussing it? Interesting I think. And thank you for the link.

MT - you clearly know a lot more about it all than me. so where is evolutionary science at these days re: reproductive choices?

I married my first husband for money, he turned out to be an abusive cruel man and in some ways I deserved what I got.

My partner now has never really had money, he goes out and earns a vey average wage. But he is a good man that counts for a lot more. I suspect I am more successful in my career because the onus is on me to earn the money.

The ID's pinched it from ev. biology Maddy. It's great its being discussed! I just mean the peeps who think its sexist - not stop - just calm down pleease

Got to feed ds GNM, back later. Can you be a bit more specific though, re: reproductive choices?? Who for?

I do find it odd that people think that women have to choose a man that will provide for them. I am very proud that although I started of a shallow golddigger I walked away from my man with money ( although it has now all gone) not taking a thing from him and to this day not asking for a penny for myself or our daughter. I am an intelligent, if slightly prickly woman, who does not need a man to provide her with anything. I have a man in my life whom I love dearly but do not need him and would not want to be in a situation again where I need anyone.

I have been lucky Iorek that both of the men in my life have had huge penises and known exactly what to do with them. Sex is important to me. The sex is better and more frequent with my partner than my ex husband, but I suspect that is to do with love rather than wallet.

Obviously I didn't choose dh for his cash.

However as I said on the other thread women have more orgasms the less they have to worry about. Money takes away a lot of worries, just ask anyone who has been properly poor.

She asked I answered

Dp and I have been properly poor, still had great sex though. I have been properly rich and had crap sex as well.

You are an outlier twinset.

Spluttering in an admiring manner, TSP.

Just a thought.

Does this work the other way round for men with richer female wives/partners?

What happens if the man starts out richer and then the women gets richer than him later?

Well that's when he goes out and has revenge-behind-her-back sex to soothe his bruised ego! Whilst we're generalising

They have ruled out confounding effects of wealth difference between partners. So presumably it varies with male partner's income in the same way.

pmsl at being an outlier maybe I am just odd!

Isn't that what outliers are? By definition...