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to hate the word 'chav' being used to refer to anything people don't like or feel is a bit beneath them?

124 replies

Rachmumoftwo · 13/02/2009 21:59

Honestly, it has to be the most over-used word in the English language (if it is even recognised as a word in the English language). It doesn't mean anything and I am getting really bored of it now. Please everyone that uses this word, stop for the sake of my sanity!

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VinegarTits · 16/02/2009 13:04

MZ i would probably describe them as 'young yobs' imo far better that branding them as chavs

Incedently the word chav is origionally a derogatory term applied to young people from working class backgrounds who wear branded sports clothes and are often unemployed or low paid.

But the word is being branded about so much these days, like some kind of trend, the other day it was used to describe the driver of a car who had a 'little princess onboard' sign in the window

I hate the misuse of it, but i suspect it is a mc way of describing anyone who is not mc

MorrisZapp · 16/02/2009 13:13

Can't be doing with the inverse snobbery myself. I'm middle class (assume that is what you meant by MC) and don't see why I should be judged or slagged off because of it.

It's a downright insult to many MC people to suggest that they call anybody who isn't MC a 'chav'.

Both of my beloved grandmothers are working class, live in houses full of chintz and flying ducks, watch Coronation Street and drink builder's tea. They are not chavs. They are wonderful, caring people with a lifetime of hard work and achievement to look back on and be proud of.

Please don't imagine that all MC people are in some way blinkered or think that anybody who isn't like them is bad or a chav. A chav refers to a very specific type of person, not to anybody who happens to earn less than us or have downmarket taste.

Pingping · 16/02/2009 13:21

VT I would describe them as hoodrats...

I was watching a comedian the other day and he made a good point about chavs,

He said Middle class people leave there children to go out and eat a meal it makes me have more respect for Chavs least they take there kids to the pub with them.

VinegarTits · 16/02/2009 13:23

Dont get your knickers in a twist i didnt say ALL mc people use it, i said i suspect it may be a mc way of describing anyone who isnt mc, i am not saying i am right, but i dont often hear wc folk using this word to describe each other

I do think it is a form of snobbery to use it to describe anyone

DaddyJ · 16/02/2009 13:25

the other day someone had written 'c**v' in her post
thought it was a spelling mistake

so chav is as bad as cunt now?

Pingping · 16/02/2009 13:27

Agreed with VT I have seen it myself alot of people assume if you live in council housing you are a chav.

I live on a council estate but I private rent my property when asked where I live I do get a lot of disapproving looks because its a known area for trouble and anti social behavior I quite like my estate most people are friendly and just getting on with there lifes plus I pay alot of rent to live there so it can't be that bad but yes people assume I am a chav because of where I live.

Pingping · 16/02/2009 13:29

LOOOOOOOOOL DaddyJ are you serious??? Thats funny

Chav is a word that was started by kids same as goth etc to describe a person I don't think its that bad a word. Not that I use it myself

MorrisZapp · 16/02/2009 13:30

VT I have never seen the word chav used by the middle class press. It's the tabloids that have used it, promoted it and emblazoned it all over their pages.

The word chav is used as much - or more - by the working class as by anybody else.

So while there may be some MC people who bandy it about, it's hardly fair to say it's a MC word.

Obviously I count the Daily Mail as a tabloid.

Pingping · 16/02/2009 13:34

Morris what is middle class press. I have seen the word chav in the times.

I do think its used by working class but maybe in the more so in the right way.

Whereas used by MC in the wrong way

VinegarTits · 16/02/2009 13:36

dont kid yourself into thinking the tabloids are run/written by working class people lol just because wc might read them

MorrisZapp · 16/02/2009 13:38

I don't read the Times but would say it's MC.

Who did they call a chav?

Pingping · 16/02/2009 13:38

Loooooooooooool VT!

The daily star editor is my friends dad he is ever so posh middle class man.

MorrisZapp · 16/02/2009 13:42

Sorry, think I have been misunderstood.

Of course most journos are MC - where did I say otherwise. I meant the readership.

VinegarTits · 16/02/2009 13:48

So your saying it is a word used by mc jurnos who write for the tabloids?

which is exactly what is suspected it was in the first place, a word used by mc to describe wc

Dont know why you choose to jump on me for it when you have just agreed

lulu41 · 16/02/2009 13:57

totally agree it really pisses me off when people use this word - it really is just another way for people to look down on certain sections of society namely working classes etc. I work for a law firm own my own house but still I have been referred to as a chav - because of my working class roots - I HATE THIS WORD WITH A VENGENCE and all the people who believe themselves superior to others. We all s... we all breath and we all have the same colour blood - we are all the same not chavs or posh or whatever name some idiot decides to call us we are all human beings and deserve respect - even if we live on a council estate and love Burberry !!!

TiggyR · 16/02/2009 14:04

OK, let's clear this up once and for all.......

The term Chav was originally coined to describe a very specific section of modern British society; White, poorly educated, feckless, unemployed, aggressive, socially irresponsible and morally rudderless. It is exactly the same as a Ned. I get the hump when both phrases are used as a catch-all for the working class. That's an insult to many working class people.

Chavs as we all know have a preference for American branded polyester sports and leisurewear, and cheap nasty chunky gold jewellery. When the phrase became known to the media, Chavs were most easily identified by their clothes and jewellery (and in particular their fondness for the burberry check used on baseball caps) so the meaning of the term became confused, and was applied to that style of dress, rather than the specific lifestyle indicators.

Coupled with that, the press very cattily latched onto the term and started applying it to describe various New Money celebs who hail from working class backgrounds, who liked to display their wealth in a crass and ostentatious way. (Kerry, Colleen and Wayne, Jodie et al) Therefore the meaning has evolved yet again, and now tends to refer to to anyone who is a bit flashy and wears all their designer labels on the outside.

Because the term has become inextricably linked with so many of the showy designer brands and 'bling bling' culture that so many working class kids aspire to they have started to refer to themselves as Chavs, with no sense of irony. To them it defines their tribe, their music, and their fashion tastes. They do not see it as a pejorative term. They are proud to be Chav.

I love the word and I am happy to use it, in its original pejorative term, to describe any thing or any behaviour that I find common, tacky, seedy, downmarket or socially irresponsible. And I don't care!

notnowbernard · 16/02/2009 15:58

Of course the word chav is not an exclusive term for the middle classes - it's used by all strata of society

But, as I have said previously, I feel it has become a derogatory term which in 10 years or so will become as socially unacceptable as 'gyppo' or 'pikey'

Lotster · 16/02/2009 16:04

To be honest, I see more AIBU threads about the use of the word Chav more than I actually hear it, which is even more annoying! It's like flipping Groundhog day...

MorrisZapp · 16/02/2009 16:16

So the tabloids represent MC views and values to you vinegar, because their journos are MC?

And I agree with Lotster, more people moaning about chav than actually saying it, in my life and on here.

VinoEsmeralda · 16/02/2009 16:22

It really annoys me too when people use it especially my SIL who mentioned the other day (and I repeat her words) 'It was HILARIOUS, we went to Asda to do a bit of chav spotting'

Has she got nothing better to do? Nearly her b'day and am seriously thinking of getting her a set of fluffy dice to go in her car

mummymimi · 16/02/2009 21:13

I love the word chav, but I am abit snobby!!

yyggi · 16/02/2009 21:17

Chav - a great word to describe many of the AIBU threads at the moment! What has happened to mumsnet!

TiggyR · 16/02/2009 21:39

Did you prefer it when the only thing people were judged on/villified for was whether or not they breast fed?

lulu41 · 17/02/2009 11:23

Or perhaps the old dummies are evil threads -but perhaps dummies are chav too !!!

People bored of this thread or who dont find it relevant - dont read it !!!

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