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to hate the word 'chav' being used to refer to anything people don't like or feel is a bit beneath them?

124 replies

Rachmumoftwo · 13/02/2009 21:59

Honestly, it has to be the most over-used word in the English language (if it is even recognised as a word in the English language). It doesn't mean anything and I am getting really bored of it now. Please everyone that uses this word, stop for the sake of my sanity!

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Ronaldinhio · 14/02/2009 00:14

I've thought for a while that chav is a word that is used for working class baiting or beating.
I rahter like it and describe myself as chavvy farily often
I like chavs and everything surrounding them...there is something glorious about
this

I actually mean this btw

ra29needsabettername · 14/02/2009 00:18

repulsive word as is 'pikey'. Hideous snobbery.

Thunderduck · 14/02/2009 00:19

I don't think that CHAV really does stand for that, even if people say so.

Thunderduck · 14/02/2009 00:19

Glorious?

Ronaldinhio · 14/02/2009 00:28

why not? If you like something, have more of it! Why not???

I believe there is something to be celebrated in the whole working class done good thing ( a raw nerve perhaps?)
I hate this insane carping on what people can and can't spend their money on and judging people over what is seemly.
Who made these judges?
Sometimes there is a freeness and strength that is frightening to those bound by the sensibilities of middle class (?) and they wish to tame it by cruel labels like chav

Live and let live

imhchavvyopinion

Thunderduck · 14/02/2009 00:33

I think it's ghastly, not at all glorious imo. Anything can be done to excess, and there ought to be a limit, no matter how much one enjoys it.

I think chavs can be of any class, though I'm aware that the general perception of them is that they are working class.

Kitteh · 14/02/2009 00:39

Hate the word chav anyways as it was stolen from us northerners.. It is "Charva", and to have a couple of letters taken out is shocking..! lol..

Ronaldinhio · 14/02/2009 00:41

If you like it and it is harming no one why must there be a limit

Her Burberry madness is actually harming no one..why a limit?

Thunderduck · 14/02/2009 00:42

Anything done to excess is vulgar, harmless perhaps but vulgar. And that includes Boden.

Ronaldinhio · 14/02/2009 00:46

again, vulgar meaning common?

Thunderduck · 14/02/2009 00:47

No just vulgar, tacky. I don't mean common.

Thunderduck · 14/02/2009 00:48

Just it looks bloody awful basically.

Ronaldinhio · 14/02/2009 00:50

I know we wouldn't say this now but I often wonder what that outfit would have been hailed as if Kate Moss had traipsed around Notting Hill in it...?

Thunderduck · 14/02/2009 00:52

Personally I'd still say it's tacky and vulgar.

Ronaldinhio · 14/02/2009 00:56

you are aware that both tacky and vulgar are to my knowledge the words of their day to describe poor or in otherwords chav, non?

Thunderduck · 14/02/2009 00:57

Yes, they can be and are used for that purpose, but they aren't used exclusively for that.

People of all classes can be tacky and vulgar.

Ronaldinhio · 14/02/2009 01:03

interesting though that you chose those words... and you must be able to see the comparison to bandying chav about today to those we judge unnecessarily who are in effect harming no one other than out outraged sensibilities

I still think that it is a word used to belittle the working class that often says more about the user than those they use it on.

Thunderduck · 14/02/2009 01:06

I usually associate chavs with anti social behaviour, hence describing my very middle class neighbour's children as chavs.

The clothing is tacky and vulgar, in that pic you posted a link too, but an excess of Boden or Barbour can be just as tacky.

I can think of quite a few things that my dp's upper middle/upper class parents have done, that I'd consider tacky and vulgar.

ra29needsabettername · 14/02/2009 01:10

that's really interesting about tacky and vulgar...

Ronaldinhio · 14/02/2009 01:16

It seems strange to me the need to judge people by their appearance and make these assumptions on their class of anti social behaviour (shurely an even bigger leap?)
Especially when using words associated for years with describing the lower or working classes.

It might not be to your taste but I think it's especially easy to judge freely and discriminate agianst the largley white working or lower class of this country without fear of retribution in this way by labelling them chavs vulgar trashy etc

Just mho but I wonder how much projection or hidden bullying actually goes on within that in general
It has made me uncomfortable for a long time and is not an attack on you Thunder

Thunderduck · 14/02/2009 01:21

I agree with you to an extent, but I don't presume anti social behaviour of anyone unless they are displaying it.

I'm not too popular with one of my dp's sisters as I'm not upper middle, she makes it quite obvious that I'm not good enough for him,so I do understand what you're saying.

muggglewump · 14/02/2009 01:33

The only person I know that throws around Chav, as an insult, had to ask me if Pancetta is vegetarian and thinks buying cups from a charity shop is gross.

She works in the kitchen of the Coffee Shop I work in

I do hate the word, it's an easy way of looking down on folk so it seems.

Qally · 14/02/2009 05:56

I spent 2004 abroad, having never heard the word, came back - and it was everywhere. It was odd, because before that open snobbery was seen as a bit distasteful, but apparently chav was fine, because that mocked working class taste rather than the working classes. Uh, what? Where's the distinction? Pram-face, chav, all snobbish nastiness that judges people on their background, and not who they are as people, and basically implies that to be poor/working class is to be a bit vile, really, and worthy of derision. The label-loving definition, supposedly less snobbish, is still sniggering at people from poorer backgrounds adopting symbols of wealth tastelessly, IMO. In other words, it sniggers at social mobility. And the word is now applied across the board to anyone working class/poor, so it's become frankly snobbish, in a degrading and nasty way.

I always loved Secret Millionaire, despite the squirmy Lord/Lady Bountiful aspects, because it does at least show dirt-poor people doing amazing work to help people in their communities, with no expectation of recognition and with absolute dignity. It's so rare to see that shown in the media - poverty is usually shown as being somehow shameful in itself, as indicative of being lesser, and somehow deserving of a shittier time in life. A person's bank balance is about as helpful in defining their moral worth as skin colour or gender, so why is raging snobbery suddenly fine? Really nice, kicking people who're already trying to keep their heads above water, especially when our society has so little genuine social mobility.

SalmonintheLiffey · 14/02/2009 11:07

hedgewitch is correct, that copacapana girl in the caravan is a traveller. They have been chav-ish LONG before there was a term to describe it.

The Travellers used to cruise the barrio in new cars and new but silly looking clothes saying 'pint a milk for the babby?' and this was in about 1979!!!

They don't seem to be around any more!? Where have they all gone? oh yeah! England. [slaps thigh and laughs]

Flightisatwat · 14/02/2009 11:33

I'm not well-up on this but I haven't ever considered the word/concept of 'chav' (don't like/use the word if avoidable) as anything other than a label for a certain cultural majority/minority - group, then, of people who aspire to something.

I lived next door to a family whose lives seemed to epitomise this aspiration, they were fairly proud of their cultural persuasions I believe - I certainly felt rather judged by them.

It's a cultural thing and no more deserving of ridicule than the Smythe-bunting set from the other end of town. People are what they want to be culturally, you can't judge someone on circumstances beyond their control, but the way they choose to dress, by all means. It's a style statement. Some people love it, some hate it.

I'm not attributing any moral or behavioural qualities to them by commenting on their dress. Apart from the fact it seems aspirational (not sure to what - certainly not to looking like, well, me for instance - that was evident by the looks I got)

On the whole I don't think you can deny it describes a certain style/culture

What you make of that culture is another thing entirely