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to be annoyed that people on MN are so against routines?

144 replies

Maria2007 · 27/01/2009 20:11

Well, I might be flamed for writing this, but recently I've gotten more & more annoyed by all the anti-routine opinions found on MN. So- am I being unreasonable to be slightly pissed off when I read (again and again) advice to 'co-sleep / wear in sling / bf on demand' when people ask particular questions about their babies (e.g. about sleeping / feeding patterns)? Am I being unreasonable to think that this style of parenting doesn't suit all parents (or doesn't suit all babies for that matter)? Am I being unreasonable to feel that GF (and other advocates of routines) have been unfairly treated here on MN, however much one may disagree on various points in their books (and anyway who said we have to agree with every single thing they write)?

Some background. My DS is 6 months old. He's still breastfeeding (and I plan to continue for as long as I can / he wants). He is also still sleeping with us in our bed (from 11 pm onwards). He's a happy, healthy baby. Until 4 & a half months he was breastfed on demand (with various problems, which I won't go into). Until that point we were getting little or no sleep. I was so exhausted that I decided to work on a routine & in desperation bought the GF books (which until then I had been completely dismissive of). Surprise surprise. Putting DS on a routine (I did it gently & gradually, before anyone shouts at me!) worked beautifully. His sleep has improved dramatically, his breastfeeding has also improved. My milk supply has ALSO improved, making me wonder about the usual advice to feed completely on demand after a certain age. DP & I never felt we pushed our son in any way when putting him on this routine, in fact, it felt completely natural, we just tweaked things here & there & gradually things became better & better.

I simply don't believe anymore that 'all babies fall into a pattern in their own time'. I also don't believe anymore that 'it's normal' for babies to not sleep for months & months, that 'it's normal' for babies to feed all through the night (the thing people say about 'babies having tiny stomachs' also doesn't convince me anymore, not after a certain age, not when they're- for instance- 7 months). We still feed DS at 3-4 am, and we think that's normal for breastfed babies at 6 months, but I simply cannot imagine staying at the place where I was, feeding him all through the night, every 1-2 hours.

Anyway. Just really, honestly, I'd like a discussion on this, because it's something that baffles me. I truly believe I'm a much better parent, more rested, more calm, less irritable, now that we have some predictability and a pattern to our day. I also think that if I had a second child I'd keep an eye on the pattern of their day from earlier. Can't really think why all the anger & disapproval towards GF & other routine-advocates. You may not agree with all their points, fine. You may not like their style of writing, fine again. After all, it's only common sense that each parent creates their own version of a routine for their child, you wouldn't follow any style of parenting blindly would you. But to be so against routines in general is a bit baffling to me, and I've heard it so many times here on MN in recent months, that I honestly would like to discuss it a bit more...

OP posts:
Boco · 27/01/2009 22:37

You hoover twice a day? Every day?

littleducks · 27/01/2009 22:39

i need to put this on a routine thread for once, people always argue over the content of the gf books, i have read several of them, they do all have the same routines in but some of the 'advice' on how to acheive certainly differs from each book and edition

morningpaper · 27/01/2009 22:39

yes

Floors get SO messy

I don't know how anyone else doesn't do it all the time

After breakfast there seems to be a 1-inch layer of cornflakes over the house?

moondog · 27/01/2009 22:39

I object primarily to people with no idea what they are on about making money out of poor confused women.
Have you ever seen Gina Ford's website?
It is unbeleivable and the tone is so creepy and psychophantic.

There is breathy promise that if you pay thirty squillion quid then'Gina will phone you personally.'

It's repellant to charge for support and advice to a new mother.

morningpaper · 27/01/2009 22:40

Agree Moondog

I live my life in terror at the prospect that Gina Ford might one day phone me personally

Boco · 27/01/2009 22:42

But then what on earth happens between 9.30 and 5.45? Can't you just wait until the next morning? Can you feed them something less crumbly? Couldn't you just not look down so much? That's a LOT of hoovering. But then I have trained myself, using a strict routine of avoidance, to not focus my eyeballs very well, and look out of the window A LOT.

moondog · 27/01/2009 22:42

My life is run like clockwork too though.No bloody choice with awol dh, 2 kids, f/t job, MSc blah blah blah.

People gush about 'not knowing how I do it'.
Frankly I've no fucking choice.Let my guard down for a minute and the whole show goes tits up!

CountessDracula · 27/01/2009 22:43

Yes you are insane to let it bother you
Do what suits you

moondog · 27/01/2009 22:43

I did read every baby book under sun though cos am sort of gal who likes to research.
My mother commented drily that a little less reading and a bit more doing might help...

moondog · 27/01/2009 22:44

Have you and yours rallied CD?

puffling · 27/01/2009 22:44

I don't find the OP's post angry or defensive. She's simply pointing out that there's a general mnet forum consensus that routine is bad and she wants to know why.

morningpaper · 27/01/2009 22:44

No no I hate crumbs on the floor, and if I left it then DH would do it, and I like him to return to a PERFECTLY TIDY HOUSE so that I don't feel guilty pissing around on MN in the evening while he does the laundry and makes the lunches etc

CountessDracula · 27/01/2009 22:45

oh yes thanks
arse worms beaten into abeyance
vomiting stopped
back to running
all is good

morningpaper · 27/01/2009 22:45

Oh well by 5.45 there has usually been some sort of CRAFT or BAKING and definitely the making of dinner which creates MORE CRUMBS

moondog · 27/01/2009 22:45

Running eh?
With that and salsasice you must be veritable bionic woman?

Terrific news re arse worms.

Boco · 27/01/2009 22:46

I read all the books too. I read gina ford and three in a bed, and found it ALL terrifying, the idea of not picking them up AND the idea of having to pick them up all the time.

And then I had the baby, and the rest is mostly blank.

moondog · 27/01/2009 22:47

MP, secret is to
a. Corral kids into one small area for owt messy
b. Get them outside to eat at all possible times
c. Stay out of house as much as possible anyway

dangfando · 27/01/2009 22:47

You need a dog! It dos generate hair but not as fast as it clears up crumbs.

CHEQUERSmate · 27/01/2009 22:48

I think you're taking things a bit too personally.

I sort of know where you're coming from - in that there are a lot of continuum-type parenting people on here but (as has already been pointed out) if that approach works for them than why the hell shouldn't they be free to share their successes with others?

I've been offered advice to stick DD in a sling, and tbh I can't think of anything I'd rather not do - BUT - the advice is constructive and well-meant, so I take it in the spirit in which it's given.

I think you need to be more confident in your own choices. I'm sorry to mention another thread here as I know it's not the done thing but I notice you got upset on a weaning thread recently where nobody was attacking your choices.

Be strong and have faith in yourself, then what other people do/say won't matter to you.

moondog · 27/01/2009 22:48

Boco, i read those two one after the other.Talk about a mind fuck.
My sister (Brighton lentil weaver) was enchanted by 'Three' and adhered to it.
A few years later she phoned me weeping and said 'I want to kill that fucking bitch who wrote that book.'

How we chortle(d).

Boco · 27/01/2009 22:49

I don't think i've ever hoovered twice in one day in my whole life. And I've certainly never had a hoovering time. Even a very rough one.

I'm a mixture of appalled and deeply impressed.

CountessDracula · 27/01/2009 22:49

I wish I were bionic
have binned salsacise for now as am too busy!

moondog · 27/01/2009 22:49

Where do you run?
Around yer gaff?

morningpaper · 27/01/2009 22:50

I only hoover downstairs twice a day

Upstairs I hoover on a Wednesday and a Saturday

CountessDracula · 27/01/2009 22:50

In Richmond Park (off track - through woods etc). I was caked in soggy mud from the waist down today!