To want to actually murder my dog

[LucyEllensmummy]

The snivelling little runt!!!

So, all this week i have had to cajole my DD out of bed ready for nursery. Was working on DPs accounts until late last night and thought, oooh, might actually be able to sleep in tomorrow morning. DP out looking at a job, but no - what happens, as soon as DP leaves at six am - the bastard dog lets himeslf into DDs room and wakes her up - cue DD wanting to get up and play (that means with me). I'm shattered, i honestly feel like i need matchsticks to open my eyes. All that and its fecking cold too - turned the heating on full blast despite stupid gas bills.

So, up even earlier, DD irritable, no bread, no sugar - arrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhh, i NEED my tea and toast in the morning. DP not left any money so can't even go and buy bread and sugar.

Yes, thats it - i'm going to kill the dog, cook him up in a stew and serve him up to DP when he gets home.

And for what it's worth, LEM, don't be surprised if you get more than you bargained for in the future when you're "putting one of your dogs in their place".

My dad was a farmer, we always had dogs and obviously they were fantastically well-trained, they had to be as they were round livestock and other people all day, yet he never had to lay a finger on them. You can't train an animal with fear, you'd do well to remember that.

Serve her bloody well right too.

If you don't want your dog pissing on your bed, the don't let the dog on your frigging bed in the first place!!!!

I LOVE dogs and if seen anyone battering or being cruel to a dog, I would not be able to hold myself back!!!

Shame on you! You do not deserve a dog if that is how you treat it!

Dogs do not pee on beds to piss off their owners. They either do it because they have poor bladder control (maybe getting a little elderly), aren't properly house trained or are doing it to mark the bed as theirs which is a mark of possession/dominance. None of these reasons can be answered by hitting, yelling or chucking it out.

Dogs do not do slimy poos on floors (even after they've been let out) out of spite. They do that because they have an upset tum and when they need to go, they need to go RIGHT NOW! The same as with humans with upset tums.

Dogs are not humans in little furry coats and don't use excrement or mess as some kind of tool to punish their owners.

Kill the dog - then come and kill mine. You've got my sympathy vote.

Oops, just realised I stuck a flippant comment on the end of rather a heated debate ... sorry! Didn't mean to offend anyone....

What a horrible thread.

Am shocked and a bit lost for words really. This is not Mumsnet.

I am rather that this has turned into any sort of debate, let alone a heated one. I killed my dog yesterday, this morning we are best friends again - although i did have to laugh when he was on the bed this morning and DD came in and jumped on him - perhaps she didn't appreciate her wake up call yesterday either - lol, he jumped out of his skin. Blimey oh riley i can't believe anyone actually has taken this thread seriously.

Korma, i would never train a dog with fear i totally agree with you. I was being flippant when i said about battering my rottie and kind of trying to inflame the deabate a little. The thing is you can't be namby pamby with a dog who thinks its OK to launch himself at passers by, so one day when he did this, i had to make it clear that this wasn't acceptable - definately not a situation for shaking a coke tin full of stones or clicking a clicker. I very much did get more than i bargained for with that dog - he came to me with serious aggression issues, but he ended up a beautiful loving family dog who i finally didn't have to take out with a muzzle on. I am very proud of how things worked out with Yazz, i am certainly happy to admit that he had a few smacks but definately not done out of cruelty and i probably whacked him a bloody site harder whenever we were messing around.

So, can i just clarify - i have NEVER hit my dog for pissing in my bed. When we came home and our rottie had literally decorated the entire bathroom with shit (he had locked himself in there and clearly upset himself) he did not get even told off, in fact i made a fuss of him and told him it was OK it wasn't his fault that his dopey owners left the bathroom door open and then he locked himself in it - honestly, i have never seen so much shit in my life (and as an ex vet nurse ive seen quite a bit!) it was everywhere, all over the floor, all up the walls, in the bath (i still don't know how he managed that).

Nekabu - no one on this thread, really thinks that their dogs do slimy poos to piss them off (least of all jooly!!!) but it just feels like it sometimes!

What i find really interesting is that people are up in arms because i wanted to murder my dog. They took me seriously? Surely not? But when i mentioned that i might murder DP too, eveyone was like, yeah, put the fucker in a stew!!!

over sentimentality with animals winds me up - i have seen more animals neglected if that is the right word, because of owner ignorance rathr than cruelty. So their negligence isn't deliberate, but it equals the same result for the animal.

Korma - i do know what you mean about the outside thing, i was thinking about that last night - my two rabbits had the thickest coats around and were tough as old boots - had they been indoor rabbits and i put them out on a cold night, i daresay they would have popped their clogs.

I am more shocked that anyone has taken this seriously

Does anyone really think i REALLY wanted to murder my dog?

LucyEllensmummy, no I didn't think you wanted to murder your dog for waking your dd! But sadly there are people out there who think their dogs pee or poo in order to piss them off or because they are bad and need a walloping for it. There are plenty of people who rub their dogs/cats nose in a mess, chuck it out (whether raining or not) if it's been sick/had an accident or whack seven bells out of it if it's done something wrong. I don't know the people here so if someone says "I generally want to kill my dog when he pees on my bed to piss me off. He hasn't done it since the last time when I battered him and put him in the garden or the night (in January) Very cold then." it does make me wonder.

Poor LEM. You are clearly a sweetie from what I see of your other posts. Nobody ought truly believe you are a mass-murdering dog butcher (but if you are, seriously, can you kill mine too?)

crikey

mwahhahahahahahahaha!!! I was thinking of setting up a dog sitting service - do you think i'll get many customers?

kormaisforlifenotjustchristmas, I saw on an earlier message of yours that you have horses. If you rode during pregnancy did you use a belly band with your jodphurs undone and if so, did it keep them up?

Thanks! Where's the horse topic? I'm a bit of a newbie on here so I'm still trying to find my way around!

kormaisforlifenotjustchristmas, found it! Thanks for the tip.

at the horses.

If it makes you any less it's a bit windy here and they were all very messy in their stables last night!

FFS, get a life. ITS A DOG. My dog has the life of riley, at this point he is sleeping by the fire snoring happy as sand boy having been walked three times today. We live in the country (out of the UK). He gets to run round ield when he wants to. But if you know anything about beagles they are hard headed little sods and can be very dominating. His weeing on my bed was an act of dominace over me not an accident. They pee just like cats to mark territory, thats what he was doing. He's being put smacked and put into the garden was me asserting my authority over an animal that you cannot reason with. He's cage outside is for his own protection, male dogs like a wander and we have a female on the otherside of a busy road, his cage has a house, in fact its the same as kennels. Ladymariner, korma, I think you're entitled to your opinion but if you're looking for a heated debate, you wont get it here. I have 2 very happy dogs who no longer pee on my bed or any other place in my house because I am in charge in my house. I do not think Lucy intended on murdering or even serving it for her husband to eat and perhaps you two need to stop swearing and overegging the point and get a sense of humour

Actually, I do think sometimes dogs DO pee/poo to make a point to their owner. I know the difference between my boy dog, who suffers from colitis and sometimes can't help it, pooing because he needs to, and my bitch, who has been taken out 1 hr previously but is annoyed about something (Dh going back to work/ away) peeing or doing a perfectly normal poo in the hall. I have tried ignoring it, as advised by behaviouralists, but if I do, it escalates, and she does it every single day, progressing from pee to pee AND poo, to pee, poo (which she then eats and vomits up ) until she gets some kind of reaction from me. She needs to be made aware that it is not acceptable behaviour, so I do often put her out in the garage- just as a dog who behaved in a way that was unacceptable to the rest of the pack would be ostricised from the pack. She then doesn't do it- untilo something else "upsets" her (which can be us having guests/ not being allowed to raid the bin) I have had her to behaviouralists on more than one occasion, and they can't understand her. She even pees and poos in her own bed, which is completely unnatural behaviour for a dog. I have had her since she was a puppy, and she was trained in exactly the same way as my boy dog. She hasn't been treated badly- they are well looked after and very well walked. I make sure she gets a good walk every single day, regardless of weather or how it affects me and the children. I know she is not ill, as she can go for long periods where she doesn't do this. I am a vet, and would be aware if she was unwell. So I can only conclude that she DOES do it to get my attention/ make a protest.

Having said that, I would never rehome her, as I know she would end up being rehomed again and again! She is VERY hard work, and I don't think it's so bad to have a bit of a moan about her on here, without people thinking I'm some kind of animal hater!!

BTW, just saw the point of fur, my animals, I have other animals too, generally don't live inside. The beagle come in for the evening, the old dog all the time, he's too old and doddery, the cats never, the chicken never. My husband wants to put a heater in the cage or the beagle but I don't think he should

x-posts, happychappy! hadn't realised you had beagles too! They are a very challenging breed.