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To think Sport should not be about Religion?

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muggglewump · 27/12/2008 19:44

And if it must be, I should not hear religious slurs when I've just popped into the shop for milk.
I live near Glasgow, I needed Milk, went to the shop, lots of agressive swearing all because of a football game.

There's times DD has come home from school talking of Football teams and I've quickly stamped on them and told her Football is boring. OK I do think that but I do not want her getting into it with the way it is here.

We do love a sport-F1, we watch together in season, we know all there is to know and we are huge Kimi fans-no religious horribleness.

I hate that what should be a Sport has such horrid associations, that people know your team, and religion from your name, and it matters, that there was a problem in my small town because the Christmas Tree lights were blue, that people are so small minded they care about such a thing!

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Thunderduck · 27/12/2008 19:49

YANBU. I love my city very much, I'm a native Glaswegian, but live just outside it now and this is one of the few things I hate about Glasgow.

I can't bear to hear about football at all now, because of all the crap that goes with it here.

Lauriefairyonthetreeeatscake · 27/12/2008 19:51

I'm from Glasgow and it is not about 'religion' it is about sectarianism and very very wrong.

mysterymoniker · 27/12/2008 19:51

I'm really thick and need this to be spelled out for me - what is the link between football and religion?

solidgoldstuffingballs · 27/12/2008 19:53

YANBU, know exactly what you mean. Mind you there is a theory that sport (especially football) is a religion, it fits many of the criteria (totemisation, ritual, tribalism .
I think (and I admit considerable ignorance here so don't mean to offend anyone) that there are local (to Glasgow- ish) teams where there isn't the sectarian issue that your DD could choose to follow if she likes football...

frasersmummy · 27/12/2008 19:56

muggglewump..

its completely ridiculous isnt it???? Its just gets madder and madder.. blue xmas lights are offensive???? hahaha .. do you think years ago when we all had multi coloured that one team took all the green bulbs out???

even the hokey cokey is now being quoted as a religous song which upsets one half of the old firm (dont even know which one)

Both sides in Glasgow say they are stamping out bigotry.. but I have to say I see hee haw evidence of it

so you are definatly not being unreasonable

sb6699 · 27/12/2008 19:56

mysterymoniker - the whole point is that there is no link between football and religion.

However in Glasgow there are 2 main football teams - Rangers (traditionally followed by Prodestants) and Celtic (traditionally followed by Catholics) and when the two meet on Derby Day chaos ensues!

I now live "down south" and recently someone told me they had visited Glasgow once about 10 years ago and got caught up in a ruckus outside the SECC and had to hide under a car with her dh until the police got it under control. She said she was so scared she will probably never go back.

Luckily its not as bad nowadays although you do still get the odd eeejit with a big mouth.

geordieminx · 27/12/2008 19:58

Yep we had it today oo. There were some kids on a bridge over the MB with a hige banner hanging, driking buckie, everyone was slowing down as they obviously thought they were gonna start throwing stuff onto the road.

Seabright · 27/12/2008 19:58

Mysterymoniker - there are two Glasgow teams, Glasgow Celtic (Catholic) and Glasgow Rangers (Protestant). And they are quite capable of Northern Irish standards of sectarianism.

BTW, I know most NI people aren't like the minority we hear from, please son't flame me, I'm just giving an explaination

haveamerrymankyscotslass · 27/12/2008 19:59

I hated football when I lived up home. My DH was shocked the first time he came to stay with me and realised how bad it was. He is a football fan, but had never seen or heard anything like it.
I am ashamed when I see reports about it on the news. What must people think of us as a city?

TheInvisibleManDidItWithSanta · 27/12/2008 20:01

This is one of the worst things about living where I do (very close to Glasgow).

We have so much trouble here when the 2 teams play each other.

frasersmummy · 27/12/2008 20:01

muggglewump..

even the hokey cokey is now being quoted as a religous song which upsets one half of the old firm (dont even know which one)

Both sides in Glasgow say they are stamping out bigotry.. but I have to say I see hee haw evidence of it

so you are definatly not being unreasonable

Thunderduck · 27/12/2008 20:02

The other part of this that annoys me is the whole singing about how you're Irish/English and loyal to those countries.

People, you're Scottish, so zip it, unless you were born there, you are not Irish or English, just Scottish.

haveamerrymankyscotslass · 27/12/2008 20:02

I used to work beside Central Station. On Derby days the shop shut its doors until the police had got the fans away. Sometimes it was out of control, and I can still hear the chants and threats that echoed under the Heilan Mans Umbrella. Bottles being thrown as well as insults. Very intimidating.

mysterymoniker · 27/12/2008 20:16

thanks for explanations, I did ask someone in real life a few minutes ago and apparently 'everyone' already knows this

frasersmummy · 27/12/2008 20:26

oops sorry

UnfortunatelyMe · 27/12/2008 20:29

Its really revolting and ground into the scottish culture, or it was where I lived(Falkirk).
People getting battered senseless for wearing the wrong coloured T-shirt.

Ronaldinhio · 27/12/2008 20:29

I'm Northern Irish I thought that EVERYTHING was about religion...

Isn't it?

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muggglewump · 27/12/2008 20:30

I'm English, DD was born here and considers herself Scottish which is fine by me.
Of course that means I'm protestant and support Rangers apparently?
I don't care, I hate Football and I'm Atheist but that seems to count for nothing. Having a wee bit of blue/green randomly on your clothes counts for more.

I hate it and I hate DD being exposed to it.

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Thunderduck · 27/12/2008 20:32

That's why I want our future children to steer clear of football Mugglewump.

DP is a rugby fan, hates football so perhaps they'll have no interest in it anyway.He's English and is completely puzzled by all the fuss made over it here.

frasersmummy · 27/12/2008 20:34

the other really horrid thing is one side waving the union jack ...

both teams are scottish and therefore british.. why does this flag cause a divide??

I dont get it??

Thunderduck · 27/12/2008 20:36

Not all Scots consider themselves to be British. And because the other team are often loyal to and obsessed with Ireland , they see it as a symbol of repression.

ScottishMummy · 27/12/2008 20:47

MW the auld firm does indeed divide and cause serious acrimony.deeply embedded with religion and culture

did you know assaults,knifing's,A&E presentations etc rocket on auld firm games

sad but true

geordieminx · 27/12/2008 21:26

Asda is opening a new store down in Larkhall.. because its predominately Rangers down there they were inundated with threats requests that they would have to change the colour of their logo to blue so as not to cause offence. Apparently Subway and a chemist obliged... complete madness.

We live just outside Glasgow, but both dp and I are english - ds's team of "choice" (he's only 19 months) is Liverpool

ScottishMummy · 27/12/2008 21:31

jesus weptlarkhall is infamous for the minority bigoted daftness.subway green graphics had some foaming at mouth

unbelievable

Nighbynight · 27/12/2008 21:34

it sounds worse than when I was there in the early 90s.

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