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to take the mick out of male colleagues who bring in shared food that their WIVES have made

719 replies

morningpaper · 14/12/2008 22:34

this makes me both scornful and slightly depressed and I resort to extreme sarcasm

Only last week I was nibbling lemon cake from a colleagues WIFE.

What IS that ABOUT?

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motherinferior · 17/12/2008 15:04

I too am with MP on this. FWIW I too asked Mr Inferior what he'd do if I made cake for him to take in and - after, like Anna's DP, wondering if I felt quite well he said that actually he would feel rather humiliated. Not least because his Very Splendid Women Colleagues would laugh at him. As would his Woman Boss.

Nekabu · 17/12/2008 15:34

If you're going to bake 'a little treat for one's partner' it's no real effort to whack in a few more for him to share with his colleagues. What's wrong with being nice?

If I were to bake a cake or something for someone to take to work, I'd feel a bit mean not doing enough to share. It'd be like opening a packet of biccies and not offering them round.

GoodWilfToAllMN · 17/12/2008 15:37

MI! VOTE WILF!

Anna8888 · 17/12/2008 15:51

Phew MI - DP and I are not alone here

motherinferior · 17/12/2008 16:51

I cannot imagine baking 'a little treat' for DP to take in to work. Genuinely cannot. And I speak as someone who has just taken in home-made brownies to give to the Inferiorettes' exhausted staff room.

Wilf, you are worse than John Sargeant

Nighbynight · 17/12/2008 17:22

Actually I think you are being very wise Anna! I can think of few things that would annoy me more at work, than the boss's wife baking cakes for him to bring in and distribute among the workers.

FairyMum · 17/12/2008 17:27

I would just take every opportunity to eat cake if a colleague brought it in. And quietly praise the lord I am not the wife at home baking them, but the one eating them

Libraloveschristmas1975 · 17/12/2008 19:27

Annoy? You would actually work up to annoyed about someone elses wife baking cake?

Also what's all this about "workers" I think the current term is employees.

Anna8888 · 17/12/2008 19:32

Nighbynight - indeed... it is not so long ago that I was working my a* off and would have been repulsed at the partners' wives making us skivvies consultants a cake

onebatmotherofgoditschilly · 17/12/2008 19:39

I secretly believe that all the women know that it is mildly infantilizing to send their partners into work with food that they've made. It has little to do with being competitive towards other women - it's more about the power balance within the relationship. That's how they show their partner, and the world at large, Who's The Mummy

sorry sorry sorry habbibu sorry I don't mean you I promise sorry..

Habbibu · 17/12/2008 20:15

But onebat, if it's not me, why is it other women? Seriously? Why are we so down on other women that we ascribe quite pathetic motives to their actions when we don't even know them? How crap is that?

And really, most people on this thread have NOT been talking about baking a little treat for their DH, but for giving him some spare cake that the family doesn't need to share around, or making his share of a contribution meal because it's an excuse to bake, or because (say) the woman works PT (as I do) and the man works FT?

I find this judging of other people's motives and relationships based on fucking CAKE really fucking weird, and frankly, quite dispiriting.

gerbo · 17/12/2008 20:26

is that a joke morning paper?!?!?! i'm taking it you're being postmodern or something. i cook most evenings for my family (as well as work as a teacher part time), i bake, and i prep my husband's lunch - usually that means putting leftovers in a plastic box and sticking it in the fridge. does that make me repressed?!?! ho ho ho!!!

i love him and my daughter and enjoy cooking and occasionally baking something.

oh - and i also do the ironing!!!

so get that.

i think there are some issues surfacing here - axes to grind?! this is the funniest mn post i've read in AGES!

i thought women's liberation (and yes, i'm actually pretty intelligent and have read about this stuff) was about freedom to choose how we occupy ourselves, both in our careers or in the minutiae??? if i choose to make my dh a sandwich, then please take your mockery elsewhere...he workds bloody hard and i really hope he enjuoys the sani. so there.

very very funny - has to be a joke.........

and if not a joke - when are we going to stop ripping each other to shreds and putting each other in tragic little labelled boxes?

i bake - and iron - and also read widely, talk politics, enjoy a satisfying professional career...where's the problem?

could it be yours???????

ScottishMummy · 17/12/2008 20:29

i am down on no woman esp not baking goddesses who keep workers feed.more flour power to 'em

gerbo · 17/12/2008 20:31

scottishmummy you couldn't be righter. see above.

onebatmotherofgoditschilly · 17/12/2008 20:43

Ach, Habbs. I haven't read all the thread, very sorry if I am joining in a big woman stick.

In fairness I would find it as odd (which is to say, not that odd) if the man cooked for the woman - slightly suffocating. This does not - I repeat does NOT - refer to sending in leftovers. Or to academic institutions of any calibre whatsoever. Or to people whose name begins with H.

When I said 'secretly' I was acknowledging an element of shame to my confession. I agree that this constant criticism of all forms and expressions of femaleness - damned if you do, damned if you don't - is vile. However, two things:

Firstly, I would not wish to return to the early naivety of liberal feminism, where any perceived criticism of another woman was unsisterly. That might be patronizing and unproductive. In the big bake debate, some ideas will be squashed, but others will be sharpened, and things will move forward. If there is no self-censorship.

Secondly, whilst I absolutely applaud your plea for a default position which assumes that women are self-actualized and self-determining, I think it unrealistic to assume that most women are as un-swayed by social pressure as you are. This is palpably not the case.

I think, btw, that most Normal People are not in the slightest bit hmm about a woman baking a little treat for their partner, which is a lovely and loving thing to do.

It's surely the tacit pressure to do so on his behalf which makes some uncomfortable, since it implies his ownership of her labour. I think that since many of us have mothers who still habitually buckle under similar pressures, it is to be expected that many would find it hard to view such a transaction as a neutral one in terms of the power relations that it either expresses or recalls.

Having said all that wank, the truth is that were it to happen in my place of work I would think about it for a nanosecond and then move on to the next dreary task. Also I would wonder what a strange man was doing in my house.

Threadworrm · 17/12/2008 20:51

Stunning cake analysis onebat. Really.

Habbibu · 17/12/2008 20:54

Ok, yes, I agree with you on the uselessness of women not criticizing each other, but in the particular debate I think the pendulum has swung too far the other way. The motives ascribed very sweepingly are just as patronizing, and just as unproductive.

And if you are willing to admit that I - who you don't know in RL - don't feel under pressure to do things on my partner's behalf, an un-swayed by social pressure, etc etc, you surely have to admit the possibility that I'm not unique, that the woman whose cakes you eat at work might be me, or just like me.

This is really what I was trying to say aeons ago - we seem to be throwing the baby out with the bathwater - women "shouldn't" give their partners cake to take to work in case they'll be perceived as subservient, and not having ownership of their own labour.

I fully accept that many many women do buckle under these pressures, and many men do place these pressures. So this is what I said to Wilf earlier - what do we do? Do we not do a simple, practical friendly thing because SOME women feel under pressure to do it? That just seems daft to me.

DH just made and served my dinner, unasked, while I made a gingerbread house for toddlers tomorrow, and pissed about on MN. Is he emasculated? Am I domineering? Should we mock him? Or are we just normal and ordinary and balance what needs to be done by who's better at it and who is least tired and who is least busy.

Threadworrm · 17/12/2008 20:58

I would find it completely unexceptionable if a man came into my workplace with a cake cooked by wife. Unless there was some big thing in the office where I worked that people took it in turns to bake cake themselves for their colleagues -- in which case I would kill myself and the business of wife having cooked would seem to fall into onebat's category of cooking it on his behalf and would be tacky.

onebatmotherofgoditschilly · 17/12/2008 21:03

Well, I think that one of the great things about 70s feminism was the emphasis that it placed on the symbolic resonances of various acts.

And truthfully, I do believe that there are some things which are intrinsically neutral but extrinsically loaded, and which we should therefore avoid - because, to The World, our embracing of them would appear to be an endorsement of a politics which we despise.

I'm not sure whether I think that baking a cake on behalf of one's husband falls into that category, but i'm leaning that way.

I think perhaps it is the physical absence of the woman contrasted with her symbolic presence which is odd. The contrast implies that Something Is Going On, culturally.

onebatmotherofgoditschilly · 17/12/2008 21:05

I have to go and cook dp's dinner

That is true, btw.

morningpaper · 17/12/2008 21:11

And truthfully, I do believe that there are some things which are intrinsically neutral but extrinsically loaded, and which we should therefore avoid - because, to The World, our embracing of them would appear to be an endorsement of a politics which we despise.

Yes I think that is why my DH would recoil from the idea. He would hate to be thought of as having 'a little wife' at home.

Yes the physical CAKE and NURTURING but no physical PERSON or RELATIONSHIP grates for me

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Nighbynight · 17/12/2008 21:21

Sorry, but from analysing the cakes brought in by my colleagues at work, I have to say that I think most people on this thread are lying about the leftovers.
The cakes that my colleagues bring in are definitely NOT leftovers. They are stupendous creations that speak proudly of generations of Teutonic cake-making genius. They are whole and perfect, ergo they cannot be leftovers!

GoodWilfToAllMN · 17/12/2008 21:23

Teutonic? What, they're all bringing in Sachertorte or summat?

poinsettydog · 17/12/2008 21:26

lolol @ teutonic sachertorte

poinsettydog · 17/12/2008 21:27

a gingerbread house? jeezo

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