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To be a hairs breadth away from taking my teen out of secondary school...

78 replies

ConniesCuriousCandle · 29/11/2008 20:12

....because of the girls she is aspiring to be mixing with

she is making my life a misery by insisting that girls who i really truly dislike with every fibre of my being are 'lovely girls' and she 'likes chavs'

she comes home and trys to be all fake pleasant for about 5 seconds until something does not go her way but i just cant stand the fake ness knowing that all day she has been f ing and blinding with the wannabe sluts

sorry for bad language but she is and has for a while ruined my life

her tone with me is revolting and arrogant. she does not give a shit when i cry and wail...she smirks

i would just rather keep her home and not have to endure the daily sending into the sluts lions den that she so reveres. The only thing she seems to be learning is how to be more like them

sorry for language

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ScottishMummy · 29/11/2008 22:15

connie i am sorry this is painful.never easy to disclose and discuss raw anxieties,take care

alleve · 29/11/2008 22:18

Give her some attention. Tell her you love her and value her as a person. Ask about her day and how she is getting on with her friends. Talk and listen. She needs you.

ConniesCuriousCandle · 29/11/2008 22:20

Tacky thankyou! Oddly we did encourage her with drama and two weeks ago was in a production for a fortnight at a local theatre - she was good but the director described her as impish (!) and the lead wrote her a long letter on how to inject her off stage 'sparkle' on to the stage - she finished the letter with BEHAVE which although kind of funny - just sums her up

she does push boundaries and i just think that our quite 'homely' lifestyle will never match up to her friends wild 'drink' and 'boyfriends' one. I am on to a loser..

The more i hear ( often from her - she happlily tells me their misdemeanors which i find odd) of her mates the more we despair

she seems almost immune to the hurt she causes me and her dad..and the stress it causes...contrary to how i sounded in my earlier posting we do have a happy home and she is genuinely happy as long as i subscribe to the way she wants things

i find i walk a BIT on eggshells - or DID
i have tried to become stonger as i feel it unfair to let her get away with being awful when her brothers would have been brought to heel over similar behaviour

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ConniesCuriousCandle · 29/11/2008 22:22

themoon ! (you do 'know' be by he way )

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Tortington · 29/11/2008 22:22

girls...god! i know what you mean exactly. ds will speak unkindly, go out, come back and ask quite pleasantly " whats for tea mum" like nothing happened, but girls seem to have an uncanny knack of bringing down a heavy armosphere in the whole house.

i does worry you as a parent who they are mixing with at school, however i always made a point not to blame others for the actions of my child " he/she got in with a bad crowd" really gets my goat. I find my daughter reacts incredibly well to my having expectations for her when she leaves school and dissapointment when she tells me of a gob shite moment with a teacher.

Got to say i realise after moving to a nice place 6 years ago, 300 miles away from the shithole where i went to school - that my daughter could have been attending a school where fighting, physical abuse and the occasional stabbing was normal.

when in that kind of environment, one has to ensure ones place in the social order of things. its a survival instict i think.

i think less shouty and more time together is the way forward. Yesterday i went walking the dog with dd, walking is great becuase gobshytey teens can't hold their own piss and you get to know loads and empart of advice etc. i think the best lesson i have leart, is to hold my tongue on smaller things and hope that to have theri confidence enoughthat they will tell you of bigger things.

i really make an effort to listen to what i term 'the teenage gossip vine' in my house, the twins (15) invariably know each others friends and have stories to tell about school and their friends out fo school. so i listen about how T's mum's BF takes drugs and was charged with murder when he was 18! i listen to the gossip of friend 'h' who most of the school has apparently had sex with - and i choose my words carefully even pitying- pity is much better than OMFGG YOU KNOW THESE PEOPLE!! SHIT ON A BRICK DD, STAY AWAY FROM THEM, FAR AWAY!

today i helped her tidy her room a bit, we hung up her posters and teddies and sorted bookshelf and talked and pisten to 'pink' cd. I really think she appreciates the time together.

my sympathies, act like a sponge, take it all in - be in the know - you can't help, advise or even suspect what they are getting up to - i always think its better to know. i know in my house, i can only 'know' if i remain interested in her friends and their activities and pass comment very very carefully. then spend time together making an effort to do so. to encourage them to like being in your presence.

then be the bad bastard when things go wrong. its a tight rope to be sure.

good luck

Heated · 29/11/2008 22:22

I can understand your fears. I think you need to remember that the biggest influence on you dd is you and your dh. If you step back now and absolve responsibility (as your dh says he is) then her peers become her "family" and your fears that they will sway your dd are that much more likely.

Rather than wailing to dh you could step up to the plate and become more involved and active as a family - weekends out-and-about doing stuff together. This could be voluntary work whether that be animals,the environment, local children's groups (can say from experience this is v good for keeping troubled teenagers out of trouble), outdoor activities, sport, theatre, cinema. And lots and lots of discussion - about everything and anything really - things on TV/ the news/ school.

ConniesCuriousCandle · 29/11/2008 22:24

when i am self anaylsing now i can see that the issue lies in that we still ARE very close and are lucky to have the relationship we do

what i find hard is how i am supposed to keep that going when outside the home her choices are diametrically opposite to those i would make

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ConniesCuriousCandle · 29/11/2008 22:29

thankyou heated

we have younger children/babies and she is very in love with them so again that bonds us a LOT

when we do TALK she seems to take pride ( again now i see maybe rying to get a reaction) in acting up a bit

when talking about hopes for future recently she said she hoped for an office job... the most inspiring person in her life Elvis!

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themoon66 · 29/11/2008 22:32

Connie... you know me in RL or MN?

ConniesCuriousCandle · 29/11/2008 22:32

MN but through shared school!

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Ewe · 29/11/2008 22:33

To be honest Connie you kinds just need to get used to the fact that she could potentially make choices diametrically opposite to what you want for her for the rest of her adult life. She probably won't but there is very little you can do about it if she does.

Have faith in your parenting ability and that the last 14 years will outweigh the 2 or 3 years she spends hanging around with people you don't approve of. Most teens move past this phase and go on to A levels, uni, job etc. If your daughter is intelligent and loved she will more than likely be in that category.

It sounds like you are struggling to relinquish control more than anything but this is inevitable so you need to find a way to come to terms with this but remember that it is your problem, not your daughters.

2AdventSevenfoldShoes · 29/11/2008 22:37

"her tone with me is revolting and arrogant. she does not give a shit when i cry and wail...she smirks"

ConniesCuriousCandle · 29/11/2008 22:39

sigh

thanks for all the comments

maybe i was feeling a bit bleak after set to - the advice on here has REALLY HELPED will try to heed it

thankyou all

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ScottishMummy · 29/11/2008 22:42

connie AIBU posts will always evoke straight to the point answers.it is the pleasure and pain of it

ConniesCuriousCandle · 29/11/2008 22:42

yes thankyou EWE and maybe i just had it easy with ds

i am soo chilled about letting ds make hos own choices but maybe that is because they are (generally) ok ones

a friend even suggested to me that if i let her do as she wishes then she would soon come a cropper and realise the error of her ways

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ConniesCuriousCandle · 29/11/2008 22:42

thankyou for that ScottishMumy and again your comments were helpful

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alleve · 29/11/2008 22:44

It's hard to realise that although they appear so grown up and independent at this age they still need as much attention as the toddlers.

I was ignored and ran wild. My DD also 14 has loads of attention and she has gone the other way, not many problems, OK agree with a bad atmosphere and occassional door slamming but she knows I'm her best mate and sticks with me.

Just the luck of the draw really.

ScottishMummy · 29/11/2008 22:45

connie the real rub here is we can all dispense wisdom or otherwise BUT you live it

what is really hard is we switch off and switch off this is your much loved daughter

ConniesCuriousCandle · 29/11/2008 22:53

I have told her that i love her just now and she told me!

i am actually glad i posted on here though it hs really helped

am going to try to ignore the friends 'issue' for a little bit and give it breathing space before approaching it in a more positive vein and getting to know them all better ...

thanks again - going to wrap now and eat chocolate before final feed ( it sweetens my milk!)

thankyou all

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snowleopard · 29/11/2008 22:55

Hi again Connie! I agree with all the advice, though I'm speaking from what I remember of being a difficult teen (and of my sister who was far worse) not as a parent, and Custy is your woman for that, as well as a lot of wise others here.

But one further point - as a teenager you do want to do things that piss off your parents, and revel in their cluelessness. But at the same time you do love them and essentially need the security they offer. She may essentially not really be like this, but hang out with these friends more than she really wants to, for effect or to make a point, because you hate it. So don't make it either/or - always giver her an out and make it seem that you understand she is sensible really. Then if/when she wants to back away from that scene - probably when - she won't lose face with you. Act like it doesn't mean that much to you and you're always there.

themoon66 · 29/11/2008 23:16

connie... do you live in lincolnshire?

themoon66 · 29/11/2008 23:16

connie... do you live in lincolnshire?

elliephant · 30/11/2008 00:18

Hi Connie , not sure any of this is useful but having something similar with my just turned 14 DD. THis year she seems to have moved on from her old friends - a gaggle of giggly girls as DH refers to them-to a bunch of airheads who think they're starring in SATC. Admittedly none of them aspire to being lapdancers (I think) - they are aiming for WAGdom. All I can say is that I'm keeping my ears open and the talk flowing. I've learned who drinks, who doesn't eat, how far they've gone with boyfriends and things about their homelife that makes me want to wrap them in a warm blanket and spoonfeed hot chocolate to them. Now I made it a rule a few years ago when the hormones began to kick in that there would never be an excuse for bad manners or bad language and thats still non negotiable. I also can't help myself so I do challenge certain opinions, with discussion not confrontation if possible.( very hard for me I am argumentive. And I wonder where DD gets it from ) I've always made a point to meet my DD's friends and their parents as well if I'm dropping her off somewhere. DD of course hates this. I don't care. I may not like things about her friends but I'd rather they were in my house eating pizza than somewhere else. And while I do think my DD's friends are a bit of a bad influence, I'm not sure if they are bad as such, they actually seem confused, flailing about and trying to find somewhere to fit in. So I guess a parents role in this situation role is to balance the scales. Give her alternative models of behaviour and thought. Keep on expecting good behaviour from your DD ( to let her know you think she is capable of it), sharing your values with her and hopefully giving her something solid to hang onto. Hopefully some of this will work out!

sunnygirl1412 · 30/11/2008 00:22

When I was a teenager - a few years older than your dd, connie, I had a boyfriend that my parents disliked - not because he was a bad lad, or anything, but they just didn't like him. BUT they never breathed a word of it until I broke up with him, at which point they breathed big sighs of relief and told me they'd never really liked him (luckily for them, I didn't then go and get back with him straight away - lol).

The reason I'm telling you this is to illustrate my point - that it's better allow your child to choose their friends themselves (within reason, of course) and to bite your lip on criticism of them - because that might just make them seem more attractive to your child. Left to herself, you may well find that the values that you have instilled in her will eventually win out over her liking for these girls, and she'll be able to see clearly that their behaviour is not big and clever, but silly, vapid and pointless. Far better to allow her to make that decision herself.

I would, however, just quietly reiterate the internet safety lecture - the thought of teenage girls posting topless pictures of themselves on Facebook etc sends a shiver down my spine - I honestly thought kids nowadays knew the dangers of the internet.

Good luck with this.

themoon66 · 30/11/2008 09:46

"you may well find that the values that you have instilled in her will eventually win out over her liking for these girls, and she'll be able to see clearly that their behaviour is not big and clever, but silly, vapid and pointless".

Sunnygirl said there was I was trying to say last night when I wrote 'you have had her longer than they have', but I had had a wee bit too much wine to express myself.