to not allow ds2 to have mmr jab?

[TheLadyEvenstar]

I don't think I am, after ds1 had it i noticed a major difference in his behaviour and don't want to go through it again,

YANBU
I havent read the whole thread ( my attention span is not that loooong)
I am 18 and HAVE NOT had any of my vaccinations and I have never had any serious illnesses (glandular fever etc).

It is YOUR CHILD, so YOUR CHOICE.

A poster on this thread stated anyone who didn't get the MMR jab for their children is nuts, I agree with this backed up with all the research and evidence that Jackeroo has pointed out.

Thing is, for me the debate extends far beyond the MMR.....but anyway.

The media have nothing to do with my views at all, nicky - actually media reports usually obscure the issues and miss the point entirely imo.

The 'herd immunity' argument falls apart when you consider that vaccinations are not 100% effective and that in the UK you will not get compensation in the event that your child is damaged.

FMF
One of the most seriously ignorant posts I have ever read.

Good for you. Maybe you should try and overcome your 'not that loooonnnng' attention span and read the thread. It chills me that people like you are selfish enough to base yor opinions on what can only be described as luck. I hope that if and when you decide to have children youdo not contract measles or rubella when pregnant. Plese refer to my previous post.

How rude.
I am NOT a selfish person. I don't think you should start making judgements about me on one post.

I was just giving a different view as most other people on this thread are in favour of MMR. Sorry for your loss and if my opion offends you.

'do not underestimate how powerful and insidious a virus is' - I don't at all. I know someone whose child regressed spectacularly after having chicken pox. He lost all his language and now has ASD. And I'm really sorry to hear what happened to you.

Those of us who choose not to vaccinate are not smugly thinking that our children are totally safe because others have been vaccinated. But I do not accept that I have to follow the official line when it simply does not make sense.

Agree Givemesleep and MarlaSinger. There are only two choices either pay £100s for single jabs or screw yourself if the ground fretting about the MMR.

Hm, obviously it would be naive to believe that there is no risk element in giving jabs....of course there is...however, you have to make a risk assesment, at teh end of the day and decide which risk you are willing to take and which you aren't!

For me, letting my Kids have the MMR was the smaller risk and the most effective way to achieve the immunity levels that I wanted them to have.
Also, I believe that we have a responsibility within our community to ensure we do the best to avoid a return of the diseases vaccinated against. We have a responsibility to protect those, that for healthreasons can't protect themself.
Ultimately I decided for the MMR and for vacination for purely selfish reasons....because I know I could NOT live with myself if my Kids would contract the disease because I didn't vaccinate them and would die or become disabled because of it or would infect someone else and cause those consequences.
I never shook of the guilt I felt by being the cause for my grandad getting shingles, because I had chickenpox. Because of the shingles he was never again able to use his prothetic leg, which took away his independence....obviously there was no vaccination plan for chickenpox anyway, but still...always felt guilty for it

A lot of people have such faith in the government's 'findings' and recommendations.

Their naivety astonishes me.

Yes, the MMR is the correct thing to do 99.9% of the time, but there are children who are more vulnerable. Children with known allergies to egg, or children with digestive disorders.

If I had a son who was allergic to egg, and who had some sort of digestive problem, I wouldn't give him the mmr.

The government doesn't prioritise ONE child, tommy green of 64 Zoo lane above all other children. NO, of course, their priority is the greater good. The greater good comes at the expense of smaller number of vulnerable children.

The studies that people put so much faith in were largely funded by government bodies or bodies under pressure to support 'the greater good'.

EXTENSIVE studies which could prove a link are notoriously under funded and controversial. Although there have been smaller studies, which due to their size have suggested a link.

OPEN your eyes people.

I truly believe that in 30 yrs it will be an accepted truth that nobody with a child with a history of allergy or digestive disorder risks MMR.

Thenewsmonger....I do believe that there should be studies done that will enable us to identify children at risk from getting vaccinated.....

There are several smaller minimally funded studies out there that did identify groups at risk. But they have been under-reported (for the greater good of course!) and if reported at all in the wider media they have been criticised and mocked.

I've come in on these threads before and been condemned for my ignorance. But I'm not an hysterical worrymonger! Both my children have had the MMR.

I am not a fan of single vaccinations either tbh!! I did research them about 6 yrs ago and I one of the single vaccinations carried with it an increased risk of contracting a particular strain of meningitus. It's a tough call.

For MOST parents, MMR yes. But if you've a boy allergic to egg... Please have single vaccinations.

I'm going to hide this thread now before I'm slated!

I'm not being rude- I'm angry.

Of course it is a choice. That is a non-argument and a given. Of course people should base it on their experience.

However. Do not base your decision solely on your very good fortune on never getting ill. You have not got a magic body that can repel illness, and your immune system is very compromised when pregnant. You can't see or feel viruses.

These things don't just happen to other people. How are you going to know who is carrying measles of chicken pox or rubella when you are pregnant? This is not a spurious question or a 'rude' one- I am asking in all seriousness.

I have a boy allergic to egg and he has had his MMR.

He seems perfectly normal so far.

What has come up several times on this thread and always does is the possibility of a pregnant woman catching rubella.

I had my first child in early 1986. I'd had a rubella jab at school at 12, like we all did at that time. My immunity was checked when I was pregnant and again before every subsequent pregnancy.

If you are a woman of child bearing age why are you depending on other parents vaccinating their children to protect you? Where is your responsibility to protect yourself? It's mad and totally unnecessary.

I think it's dangerous that the MMR campaign has put an end to the 12 year old rubella jabs, as there is evidence now that MMR protection wears off. So instead of protecting children it could instead lead to more rubella damaged babies.

PS Juliette75 is completely correct.

I totally agree with marla and electra, particularly about not trusting the authorites and the way they present us with information and (lack of) choices surrounding the subject

But you probably got that from my previous posts...

I am not saying I have a "magic body". I am aware that my immunity will be compromised when and if I get pregnant.

I will not know who is carrying what diseases. But its not like everyone who has been vaccinated can see and I can't. I will review the research if and when I get pregnant.

I thought, that it is now o.k. to give the mmr even if allergic to egg...I thought they changed the way the vaccine was made....might be wrong though...been a while that I really looked into this, tbh!

catweazle....but what if your vaccination wears off and you are pregnant already?
In my case,when pg wiht my 3rd ds I was told that my immunity to rubella had become to low...and I than had to have the jab after I gave Birth to ds. It was quite odd, really, because there is only 21 month between my younger 2 sons and I was fine with my middleson....must admit, I had my doubts about the correctness of ther finding, but thought I have the jab anyway....
Also, some women may couldn't have the rubella jab because f xy or z reason, should those women not have Babies?

OH FMF....you are being a bit naive though, aren't you...jsut because you weere lucky enough not to get anything in your 18 years of life does not mean it will never happen....

And Juliette, I read your post about your stillborn Baby, what a horrific experience that must have been....I am very sorry that you had to go through that , but all the best for your current pregnancy!

Juliette should consider that little babies should not bear the burden of adult women's irresponsibility.

Check your immunity to measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox whatever before getting pregnant. If you are not immune, have your own jabs.

Sorry, but I am not about to stick rubella virus into my baby so that adult women who should take responsibility for their own health can get knocked up without a care

CoteDAzur, Juliettes Baby was stillborn because she contracted a virus that isn't vaccinated for....

FMF
The point is that if they have been vaccinated they are (hopefully) protected against it, so it matters not if they come into contact with it. It would matter if you came into contact with measles or rubella when you were pregnant, as not only are you unvaccinated, but you have not had the viruses so have not built up any natural immunity.

I would do the research now if I were you. It is generally too late to start having your vaccinations once you are carrying a baby, which is why they rubella etc is given before puberty.

Panic not Cote. Im not about to go and get knocked up.

I'm 37, and have lifelong immunity to all these diseases, because I had them all.

These were childhood diseases and nobody got them when pregnant.

OK so measles can be dangerous. But what about rubella? Why on earth would anyone want to vaccinate babies against rubella?

Hello? HAve you not heard of natual immunity? You know, the stuff our clever bodies are born with??