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AIBU to be pissed off that the head teacher has banned nutella in the school for one child?

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eddiejo · 06/10/2008 21:21

The story.... one boy (hers) has allergy to nuts so now nutella is banned . I totally understand the whole anaphlaxis thing but as mum to year 1 boy with multiple food allergies - i would never expect the rest of the school to stop eating what he is allergic to.

Nutella was one of the few spreads which he could eat and made the bread edible. not healthy I know but more important to get energy in him.

What do you think?

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BalloonSlayer · 07/10/2008 09:45

Sorry my post should have read:

'people who have said to me "oh well at least he hasn't got a nut allergy". They are astounded when I say that he has'

To say all nut allergies are by definition worse than any other allergy is wrong.

PAMM if your allergy is life-threatening why do you assume it is "no where as bad as a nut allergy." ?

I can assure you, your milk allergy is a hell of all lot worse than MY son's nut allergy.

I do not wish to hijack the thread, I expect the child in question is so allergic they can't touch anything with a trace of nuts in. But many children aren't that allergic, yet their parents manage to get nuts banned at their school, while parents with children with other allergies, which may be more serious, have no luck at all.

Actually I don't even know what I am trying to say now... I am quite happy to see nuts banned in schools to save lives, but am that a similar thing would not be considered for a second to protect my child.

mm22bys · 07/10/2008 09:51

YABU. Some nut allergies are so severe that even if a person TOUCHED a nut, they could die. I know your DS is too young for this particular circumstance, but a couple of years ago a girl died because she kissed someone who had eaten a nut.

I know your DS has allergies, but better safe than sorry.

A boy at my DS's school has a nut allergy, and there were questions over the bread I was giving my DS in his lunch (contained seeds). The school decided it was OK in the end, but in the meantime, the cereal bars I was giving DS were being returned everyday, till they told me why, I wasn't aware of the boy's allergy.

Imagine it was your DS with the severe allergy (not discounting his existing ones) - you would want the school to take the same action.

ladyconstancekeeble · 07/10/2008 09:57

It could just be a coincidence. My ds has a grade 2 peanut allergy and has just started reception. 2 children higher up the school have grade 6 peanut allergies. The school has only become nut free this term which co-incides with my ds's start. AFAIK no children are allergic to tree nuts but they are banned too. I did not ask for the school to become nut free as ds is unlikely to have an anaphalactic reaction and he is very good about not letting people touch his food. I don't want him to think that school is safe and he can let his guard down because it isn't. I think the head must have just thought that the time had come as there was always going to be an allergic child in the school.

pamelat · 07/10/2008 10:03

You are unreasonable

(Some) People with nut allergies can die from being around someone who has eaten nuts within the last 5 HOURS.

Eniddo · 07/10/2008 10:06

Peanuts allowed here - but we have a new head and one child with a peanut allergy.

Everytime I thickly spread peanut butter on dd1s sandwich I think 'this may be the last time I do this'.

Unfortunately pretty much everyone will think YABU but I know I will be pissed off when the day comes.

oh come on pamelat

you dont see people dropping dead on buses because they are standing next to someone who had peanut butter on toast for their tea

soopermum1 · 07/10/2008 10:08

YABU. our school is nut free for same reason. it's no biggy for me. would want the same approach from school if it was my child with a life threatening allergy. is nutella really that important?

scaryteacher · 07/10/2008 10:09

As I asked earlier then; If this child's reaction is so severe to nuts, then does the ban extend to no peanut butter on toast for breakfast for anyone? If the other kids breathe on him, or touch something, or even have a smidgen of pb on their clothes, then what happens?

On the basis of the last 5 hours then Pamelat, anyone with an extremely severe nut allergy near my ds would have a bad time as he had peanut butter for breakfast. How does one cope with that?

I agree make it safe by not bringing nuts into school, but how far do you go?

Eniddo · 07/10/2008 10:09

is nutella that important

sorry being facetious obv

savoycabbage · 07/10/2008 10:16

My dd is allergic to peanuts but not tree nuts. Nutella is not safe for her to eat.

I have made my own 'nutella' here

You have to buy nuts in shells and shell them yourselfto make sure that they have not been in contact with peanuts in a factory.

My dd did not develop her peanut allergy until she was four. She had eaten peanuts lots and lots of times before with no effect. Children with allergies are more likely than others to develop more allergies so you could benefit from the nutella ban too...

Litchick · 07/10/2008 10:18

Haven't read all this thread so apologies if someone has already said this.
Nut allergies are often cumulative so each time you are affected the next time will be worse.
This is why my DD who currently suffers an itchy palate and throat if she even smells peanuts has to beware of inadvertent exposure as over the years it has got worse and worse and worse. Perahps next time she might stop breathing? Do you care so much about your son's spread that you want to risk that?

Eniddo · 07/10/2008 10:20

it is a shame though as good quality peanut butter (ie without crap in) is a fantastic super food for kids - loadsa protein, veggie, lots of good fat. I am a fan.

Eniddo · 07/10/2008 10:21

are cashew nuts as bad? is it nuts generally or just peanuts?

savoycabbage · 07/10/2008 10:24

The problem with other nuts ins that they are almost always shelled in a factory which also shells peanuts so there is a cross-contamination risk. That's why on a packet of cashew nuts it will say 'may contain nuts' as it may contain other nuts.

Heated · 07/10/2008 10:26

Given the head has only decided to act now for the benefit of her own child, and not earlier for other children who are allergic, no YANBU in your annoyance with her BUT I wouldn't have any problem with the school banning nuts.

ladyconstancekeeble · 07/10/2008 10:31

Eniddo, I wouldn't give my peanut allergic child cashew nut butter as it will be made in the same machine as peanut butter so there is a possibility of cross contamination. However, the chances of my ds having a reaction from touching a surface that has been touched by someone elses contaminated cashew nuts are minuscule. Its a different story of there is a cashew allergic child.

lljkk · 07/10/2008 10:35

I am in the YANBU camp. for reasons others have said.

DesperateHousewifeToo · 07/10/2008 10:40

YABU to be annoyed that the school has banned nutella

YANBU to be annoyed that it has taken so long for the school to set up this ban.

However, my ds (peanut, hazelnut and egg allergy) attended his school for a year before a nut ban was put in place. Sometimes it takes a while for schools to realise the consequences of severe nut allergy. Maybe this Headteacher only realsied the consequences once she had her own child with the allergy.

I would not really have understood how nuts could affect someone with an allergy before my ds was diagnosed

i.e. it is ot just children eating each others food that could cause a reaction. Ds could react after playing with a toy another child had handled after eating peanut butter.

He often reacted as a baby when sitting in shopping trolleys. Obviously, children before him had eaten something whilst sitting in there which he then touched on the handle/strap.

ADragonIs4LifeNotJustHalloween · 07/10/2008 12:23

I can't believe some of you would be so selfish. It's not the end of the world for a child not to have peanut butter or hazelnut spread in their sandwiches. It could be the end of the world for another child if they did though.

I guess nuts are fairly easy to avoid since they are not such an intrinsic part of our diet as milk/dairy tends to be. Having said that, I found it far easier to provide dairy free party food for a child then I did nut free.

PenelopePitstops · 07/10/2008 12:31

WHhy don you just buy chocolate spread that doesn't contain nuts?

BalloonSlayer · 07/10/2008 12:42

I have just been googling trying to find the story about the child that died in Australia because a peanut-eater had yelled at him. Drawn a blank.

I did find this article, which has statistics about the number of deaths caused by peanuts and other allergens - from BBC

Fatal food allergies 'rare in children'

Schools are ill-informed about dealing with nut allergies

Severe and fatal reactions in children to food allergies are rare, experts say.
In 10 years, there were just eight deaths.

Researchers from Newcastle General Hospital calculate that if 5% of children in the UK have a food allergy, the risk of that child dying because of it would be 1 in 800,000 a year.

They hope their findings, published in the journal Archives of Disease in Childhood, will reassure parents worried that rates of such reactions are increasing dramatically.

However a second study suggests schools are ill-informed about what to do if a child has a severe allergic reaction to nuts.

Fatal reactions, although they do occur, are very rare

Dr Andrew Cant, Newcastle General
The Newcastle team found although severe and fatal reactions to food allergies are rare, children who have asthma are at greater risk.

Three of the deaths involved children who had co-existing asthma, as did five of the near deaths and over half of the severe reactions recorded.

Milk allergies

Researchers looked at national data for children aged up to 15 in the UK and Ireland from 1990 to 2000.

Information was taken from national death statistics from 1990 to 1998, and from the British Paediatric Surveillance System, which collects data from almost 95% of UK paediatricians.

Of the eight deaths between 1990 and 2000, milk was responsible for four.

No child under 13 died from peanut allergy, though one 15-year-old did have a fatal reaction.

One child with a mixed food allergic reaction died from an overdose of epinephrine, which is used to treat it.

Between 1998 and 2000 there were six near deaths, none of which was caused by peanuts, and 49 severe reactions, 10 of which were.

Mixed food and cashew nuts accounted for 16. This gives a rate of 0.2 near deaths and 0.19 severe reactions for every 100,000 children.

There are 13m children in the UK under 16, giving a rate of 0.006 deaths for every 100,000 children.

The researchers said parents of children under 10 should be particularly reassured, as the risk in that age group is extremely small, and many grow out of their allergic responses.

'Facts - not anecdotes'

Dr Andrew Cant, consultant paediatrician in immunology at Newcastle General who led the study, told BBC News Online: "Fatal reactions, although they do occur, are very rare."

He added: "The problem with existing thinking was that it was based on anecdotes.

"What we have tried to do is to try and say 'let's get away from anecdotes and see if we can get an overall picture'."

Dr Cant said the apparent link with asthma should be a reminder to children with the condition to ensure they take preventative treatment, rather than only taking it when their symptoms are bad.

And he stressed the research was carried out only on children, rather than teenagers and adults.

A second study of 83 randomly-selected schools in the south west of England found many are not adequately informed about nut allergies or what to do if a pupil has a severe allergic reaction.

This was despite the finding 45% of schools had at least one child who was known to be allergic.

Only a third of the children had access to treatment at school.

More than four out of 10 either had no staff trained to use the appropriate treatment, or did not respond to the question.

Cooks and catering staff were only aware of the children with nut allergies in 23 schools.

In around a third of the schools, staff were unable to say what the signs of a mild or severe allergic reaction to nuts were.

Roadshows

Muriel Simmons, chief executive of the British Allergy Foundation (BAF), told BBC News Online: "Severe and fatal reactions are rare in children because of the watchfulness of parents.

"Parents recognise the signs and they do monitor children's food.

"Unfortunately, with major food allergies, you can never tell when the next one might be a severe one."

She said the danger often came when children reached adolescence and started taking more control over what they ate.

Ms Simmons said she was not surprised by the finding schools.

The BAF is running roadshows which, the organisation hopes, will provide a basic education for teachers and lunchtime assistants so that they can cope with a severe allergic reaction.

BalloonSlayer · 07/10/2008 12:45

Sorry that's almost impossible to read, isn't it.

The point it stresses is that between 1990 and 2000 there were only eight deaths of children under 13 from food allergies.

Of the eight deaths between 1990 and 2000, milk was responsible for four.

No child under 13 died from peanut allergy, though one 15-year-old did have a fatal reaction.

One child with a mixed food allergic reaction died from an overdose of epinephrine, which is used to treat it.

Between 1998 and 2000 there were six near deaths, none of which was caused by peanuts, and 49 severe reactions, 10 of which were.

Mixed food and cashew nuts accounted for 16. This gives a rate of 0.2 near deaths and 0.19 severe reactions for every 100,000 children.

BlueBumedFly · 07/10/2008 12:49

YABU!!!! Nutella could KILL MY CHILD!!!!! And believe me you would absolutely expect the whole school to stop eating something that could affect your child.

I am really angry at this post. Really bloody angry. You really have no idea.

cupsoftea · 07/10/2008 12:52

yanbu - a ban is wrong what is needed is a list of products that the child is allergic to. There are other things that have nuts in & parents need to be told to avoid bringing these into school.

If the child is allergic to even a trace ofnuts on a door handle or whatever then the parents should consider a different environment for their child. If one of my kids had a massive reaction then I would want to trust other parents not to bring the products into school.

Weegle · 07/10/2008 12:52

I haven't read the whole thread, however my nephew is severely allergice to nuts. Carries Epi-Pen at all times. Just this weekend he was in a room where there was some hazelnut cake open on a plate - he didn't go anywhere near it, he had to be treated for wheezing. THAT is how severe a nut allergy can be. If someone touched him with nut oil on them he would likely go in to anaphlactic (sp?) shock and without treatment die. I am extremely glad that despite him being the only child in the school with such an allergy the school have banned nuts for everyone. He is also allergic to dairy but as that doesn't provoke quite such an extreme reaction that's not banned in the school. But this is a boy who if you drink a cup of tea with milk in it and then kiss his forehead, he gets a bright red welt. Think it's worth living with cutting out the nutella from your child's lunch TBH.

cupsoftea · 07/10/2008 12:52

meant - I wouldn't want to trust others to not bring in the food stuff.

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