To worry for this baby?

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solid - even out in the street? I knew people left them in the back garden, but in the street is quite shocking IMO but I know things were different a long time ago.

not such a long time ago.
when i was a baby (im only 28) my mum had a great big silver cross pram. it wouldn't fit through the doors of most locla shops so i was left sat in the pram outside the door.

Over night on it's own is terrible, for SOOOO many reasons (Fire being the most scary imo)

Outside on the street ...ummm depends if you can see the pram, if you know your neighbours etc ( I wouldn't but I have in the car when a sleep, but so I can see them)

but overnight is neglect, and dangerous and what about burglars/fire/illness/nightmares/

In mu job if we come across children on their own in a house, we ring the police and wait till they come, and also social services.

Selfish cow.

Agree that maybe she doesnt think she is doing anything wrong by leaving baby out on the street, esp if her mum/gran used to do it. My MIL is always telling me that dp used to get put outside in is silvercross all the time.

More worried about her leaving baby at home alone. Have a word with you HV about her.

she needs to be referred to some sort of parenting classes. sure start and childrens centres run them. health visitors know about them. some local charities also do them. this mother and child both need help, not condemnation.

YANBU this baby is at risk from all angles. Fire, being snatched, run into by a car if on the pavement unattended. Could be sick and choke while she was out and nobody would hear. SS is the way to go, she needs educating.

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In my opinion, this situation is too serious for you to consider the mother. The fact that she leaves her baby alone in the house whilst she go's out is appalling. This is about the safety and needs of that poor poor baby.

I totally get why your dh is concerned that you should not get involved, but in my opinion the fact that you are aware that this child is being put at risk over rides that.

I would never rest in my bed if i didn't report her.

Good luck with your decision...

Oh, I thought she didn't have a front garden, and THAT was why the baby was being left on the pavement, as in days of yore when everyone knew everyone in the street and left their front doors unlocked etc.

So that's pretty weird imo. I don't buy your dh's line about it being none of your business. A child at risk is everyone's business.

I like the HV suggestion best so far.

just remember that by getting her help now it could be saving her from a much greater heart break.

you are doing teh right thing

YANBU!!!

SS right away. If people don't step in then they are allowing abuse/neglect to go on and are (imo) as bad as the parent.

This baby needs protecting as for whatever reason, the mother isn't doing so.

You need to act for the baby as it cannot itself, your concern needs to be for baby, and not the mother at this time.

I would contact the HV first thing tomorrow to be honest else you could so easily be reading about an abducted baby!!!

You must ring Social services or if she has gone out for the night and left her baby ring the Police.
She is breaking the law, this is child neglect.
There are plenty of young single mums who would not dream of doing this.
The child must come first.

years ago, we all lived in towns where we grew up and were likely to know most of the people walking by.... not the same nowadays now is it??
I would call the local HV first.

I would call social services.

My God - I can't bear to think what that child goes through if it wakes in the night

Leaving a child alone is not infact illegal, though it is appalling, no prosecution can take place unless the child comes to harm due to parental neglect and leaving the child alone. Lots of people are under the mishaprehension that a child can be left over 14yrs but there is infact no age definition, the reason being that childrens needs vary even at the same age.

I often leave dd2 in her pram outside if she is asleep, however, I keep the door open and can see her. I also live in a very close knit Army camp community with armed guards on the gate, everyone being IDd before entry etc. Its also not on a path close to a road, just near a communal carpark.

When i was at school a friend told me that her sisters friends used to go out and leave their baby in bed in its own. I still fell bad now when i think about it, i didn't say something to somebody else. I was 17 and new it was wrong but didn't know the parents directly. I still feel so guilty.

I don't buy the maybe she doesn't know its wrong, everyone in this country is fully aware of the Madeline mc Cann case. PND very possibly in which case it needs to be flagged up as she is putting her baby in danger.

I would report her to ss, Then i would maintain her friendship if i ever got wind of her being out again i would ring the police asap. Its child abandonment.

Are you sure she's not joking? This is the sort of mad thing I say if someone's nosiness or preciousness is pissing me off.

could you live withyourself if something happenbed to baby and mum wasnt there

could you live with yourself witht he knowledge that baby is often alone could be crying for mum and alone and scared

wether i liked the mum or not i wopuld have to inform social services wether you have a tough timre as a single mum or not you would surely get a baby sitter for your childs safety than go out and willingly neglect them and put them at risk

if she isnt joking and you know this is true then you have to act on it

Of course it is illegal!
It comes under the Child Cruely LAw
and Abandonment of child under 2.

I am a CM and have done the Child Protection course- it is not actually illegal, you can only prosecute once something has happened while the child is alone.