To think smoking should be BANNED???

[Mum2OliverJames]

Or it at least should be taken back into the pubs where it doesnt effect me, they cant all sit together in their deseise ridden smoke.

I am SOOO sick of walking behind someone who is smoking or walking through their putrid cloud of smoke, i hate it for my DS to, the smell makes me SICK, and i mean it actually makes me feel like i want to vomit!

Why cant smokers just realise how much they stink, you can smell a smoker a mile off.

I also hate how when someone speaks to you in the street, if they are smoking they will put their cigerette behind their back whilst talking to DS, like that stops him from breathing in you cancer fumes!!!

I think if someone is going to smoke they should at least do it where its not going to have an effect on anybody else (like in their own homes)

i dont think iabu, i think the smokers are v. much bu to expect everybody else to put up with their disgustingness - i think its v selfish.

I HATE SMOKING BUT IF YOU SMOKE ITS UP TO YOU YOU SMELL OF SMOKE WHICH DIGUSTS ME BUT A BIG BUT I CHOSE NOT TO GO NEAR PEOPLE WHO SMOKE I DO ACTUALLY FEEL FOR SMOKRES I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE SMOKING PUBS AND CLUBS JUST FOR THEM TBH AND THEN ,IF US NON SMOKERS GO INTO THEM PUBS ITS OUR OWN FAULT CAN,T SAY FAIRER THAN THAT BEING A NON SMOKER MYSELF IT DOES PISS ME OFF HAVING TO WALK PAST PUBS ETC WITH SMOKERS OUTSIDE IT STINKS AND ITS NOT FAIR ON KIDS IN BUGGYS /PRAMS IF ITS THE ONLY WALK WAY GET MY POINT !!

PS SORRY JUST REALISED I,M SHOUTING LOL CAN,T BE ARSED TO REWRITE IT SOZ

I HATE SMOKING BUT IF YOU SMOKE ITS UP TO YOU YOU SMELL OF SMOKE WHICH DIGUSTS ME BUT A BIG BUT I CHOSE NOT TO GO NEAR PEOPLE WHO SMOKE I DO ACTUALLY FEEL FOR SMOKRES I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE SMOKING PUBS AND CLUBS JUST FOR THEM TBH AND THEN ,IF US NON SMOKERS GO INTO THEM PUBS ITS OUR OWN FAULT CAN,T SAY FAIRER THAN THAT BEING A NON SMOKER MYSELF IT DOES PISS ME OFF HAVING TO WALK PAST PUBS ETC WITH SMOKERS OUTSIDE IT STINKS AND ITS NOT FAIR ON KIDS IN BUGGYS /PRAMS IF ITS THE ONLY WALK WAY GET MY POINT !!

PS SORRY JUST REALISED I,M SHOUTING LOL CAN,T BE ARSED TO REWRITE IT SOZ

LOL at mayorquimby who thinks it looks cool to smoke. How old are you?

Gosh onager who would have thought it ... personally stopped wearing perfume in first trimester cos the smell of it (and anything else for that) made me feel nauseous but it wouldnt have entered my head to stop otherwise.

Re the relevance to this thread, the difference is obviously that if you choose to wear perfume and take the risks (such as they are) that is your problem but your perfume is not risking the health of others which is obviously in clear contrast to smoking.

I get why smokers feel persecuted but what I don't get is why they don't understand why or why they think that their right to smoke overrides my right not to.

"why they think that their right to smoke overrides my right not to."

but i don't think anyone reasonable think that. i mean if your outside no ones rights are really being over ridden. the smoker should be allowed smoke in the public place outdoors and the non-smokers rights to not smoke is being respected by the fact that the smokers now have to smoke in doors. so there's no more of having dinners ruined in restaurants by selfish smokers like my mum.
there's outdoor smoking areas in night clubs so you can stand at the bar and not be consumed by smoke.
passing by smokers is just something us non smokers have to come to terms with in the compromise that is soceity.

someone said earlier on that smokers have an attitude of me,me,me and fuck the restof the world. b ut i think a lot of non-smokers now have that attitude.

obviously meant "have to smoke outdoors"

Not a big fan of banning adults from doing things.
I like living in a democracy.

I used to smoke.
Now I don't.

Some of my friends do.
Some of them don't.

Smoke doesn't bother me.

DS1 is 12. A bit of passive smoke inhalation in the fresh air now and again won't do him much harm.

DS2 is 10, and asthmatic, and keeps away from smokers whilst they smoke.

And the world keeps on turning.

I like the cancer/perfume links, except, I was talking about smelling perfume, not wearing it.

I'm sure it is more likely to be caused harm by breathing in smoke rather than perfume.

I can only think of the harmfull effects of smoke.

Can any of you smokers think of any real benefits of smoking? (apart from it apparently making you look 'cool')

I'm mostly against passive smoking because I had a very hard time trying to aviod peoples smoke when I was pregnant. This really annoyed and upset me as I was trying to give my baby the best start in life and I had to keep holding my breath every time I walked down the street or in to work (where all the smokers would congregate outside the door)

Thats another point, the new smoking ban actually states not to smoke outside public entrances but it still happens. How am I to walk away from you or avoid your smoke if you're stood outside the shop door way I am trying to walk through?

Smoking is foul and given the major health risks (and I don't think there are any health benefits are there?) you must be stupid to smoke.

Here here soupdragon

Janx - have mailed you back, thanks

All I can ever think about smoking is thank heavens I stopped

(god I never really believed how much people who smoke literally stink of shit until I gave up!)

Oh I hate smoking as well.

It's shit. I do think the way your post came across was unreasonably aggressive though.

I don't think the sentiment or idea of it being banned is unreasonable exactly - I got all hopeful about the 'in public places' thing used to be talked about, I thought it meant out on the streets as well!

I did used to smoke as a student but only ever had about one a week and it made me ill.
I could have gone without it.

There are great crowds of people who hang about by the residential home next door, smoking - their 'area' is actually right next to our front door, and the smoke wafts over into our house every single day. It's right by Ds's room too - he has asthma - he can't even have his window open in the summer. I asked them to consider moving the smoking area months ago and apparently it can't just be done straight away, they have H&S to consider and have to find somewhere else to put it

The garden is massive and it strikes me they want the smoking as far away from themselves as possible so have thoughtfully put it next to us instead.

That makes me f*cking furious tbh. They're grown ups, my children have no choice.

'i cannot stand the smell of beef crisps. it makes me feel physically sick and when i was pg it made me actually sick.

cut grass makes me very ill im allergic.

the smell of over powering perfumes/hairspray/after shave also makes me feel ill

aibu to think that people should only be allowed to mow their lawns at night when im in bed and only eat beef crisps inside their house and should not be allowed hairspray etc?'

Yes, completely unreasonable. These are very poor arguments.
Beef crisps are not harmful, smoke is.
Most people are not allergic to cut grass and it is easier to avoid. Also it is not poisonous. Smoke is.
Perfumes, aftershave etc are not toxic in the same way as tobacco smoke is.

It's just not comparable.

"Smoking does not perform a function at all."

It does in my house - when the kids are driving me crazy - and the only escape I have it outside having a cigarette with me while I'm out there ensures that I have a chance to calm down.

I've tried the just going outside with a fag - but I never stay out long enough (about 5 minutes) to calm down, so go back in stressed..it also forces me to breath properly (especially if I've reduced myself to tears - I have discovered over the years that it's impossible - well for me anyhow - to cry and smoke!!!)

I'm intrigued as how to people are supposed to "easily" avoid cut grass.......

Crossing the road perhaps?

and if the grass on both sides of the pavement have been/are being cut??

to be fair, though, FA (and HI btw, nice to see you... must chat more often ) the OP doesn't mention any health risks to either the smoker or herself through passive smoking. She just complains about the smell and says it should be banned on that basis alone.

Which is, of course, completely unreasonable.

People have mentioned health issues, and others have tried to counter them but that is a whole other thread...

anyway, as you were

Squonky are you burning a hole in my pocket??

FAQ - you can always go a different street if the grass is being intractably cut on a particular day. it affects such a minute minority of the public that it would be unreasonable to ban it wholesale.

Smoking causes damage to everyone it touches and is far more pervasive, toxic, - oh yes and avoidable.

I don't smoke.

Honestly

I suppose (if I wanted to avoid cut grass) I could have taken the long round about way to nursery, but instead of it taking 5-10 minutes - it would have taken 30 minutes

Shame that car fumes - which is just as toxic as smoke fumes can't be avoid so easily........

Perfume has the same incidence of affecting passersby as has smoking so it was a good example. (though it surprised me too) When you walk past a perfume wearer particles of perfume enter your respiratory system.

Not to mention that really the argument has been about the stink not health risk in this thread.

Flightattendent, you're wrong about smoke poisoning you outside just by seeing it waft by and very wrong for dismissing allergies as harmless.

When you say >>That makes me f*cking furious tbh. They're grown ups, my children have no choice.>> it sounds like you mean the smokers in the residential home. But they didn't choose the spot and would rather smoke in their rooms which they pay for. It was the complaints from anti-smokers that led to them smoking just where you don't want them to. As they say "Be careful what you wish for"

Whether you are pro or anti, the bigger picture is simply that we are following the American lead sociologically, and with inevitable and depressing consequences. We are swapping smoking for obesity-and it is obesity that will kill us in the coming decades. Our children are now subject to hundreds more foodstuffs, food shops and products than we ever were and it will get worse. At a (provincial) train station in the evening, you can't buy a newspaper, but you can stuff yourselves with fatty coffee and burgers. France has followed us in pursuit of the dollar (American tourists love all that is Paris as long as there is no smoke).
The ban is frightening as it marks more of this sort of brave new world 'progression'. I say this seriously; it would have been a more measured and valuable response to smoking to look at all health threats in our society at once...the bucket loads of booze that are swilled and the piles of muffins and lattes that are chugged down our children's necks (I didn't know what a muffin was when I was a kid).
I would rather have kept a few establishments as smoking and kept the budget, skeg-magnet bars and fat pushing junk
food coffee chains off the high street. All of them are serious health threats.

people are going on here about car fumes and cutting grass e.t.c

but can i point out that car's are useful so the fumes i suppose are the punishment for the ease of life

cutting grass stops the earth turning into a massive jungle (and gets rid of a hiding place for spiders so it is useful to even tho about 2% of the population are allergic...

but smoking is not useful, cigerettes themselves are pretty much designed to kill people (although you know, it takes a while...)

so yes car fumes e.t.c are dangerous but they are for a purpose, smoking is just a habbit. take up exercise?