AIBU to think that once you have paid your childcare, its not really worth working.? Is it that you just don`t want to look after your own kid. prefering to stick them in daycare as soon as the shine wears off, it really bugs me!

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Some go from 7-6 and never see there parents, I know I will get slated but in the nursery I work some kids hardly know who their parents are.

of course i know what they are paid i can access the company recruitment page.doesnt alter my choice at all

so you dont dine out as catering and waiting staff are paid so appallingly?you dont go for pub lunch as staff are paid lowly.dont shop in one of the major supermarkets because of what they pay

the wage they earn is economic rent, determines the wage not the worth

not right not fair

I was really shocked to discover some of the people working at a day nursery near to where I work were actually working for £1 an hour.

I hope you've reported the nursery then mrz, as that is well below the minimum wage

So you're dumping your children in the village school are you twinkle?

wouldnt that be illegal and contravening minimum wages NN at my LO nursery dont earn £1ph

findtheriver sixteen year olds doing a modern apprenticeship paid £40 a week (legally) and once that finishes they get a new apprentice ... wrong but perfectly legal... apparently.

There isn't a law that says your children need to go to school twinkle. I'm just interested that you describe parents who put their children in nursery as 'dumping them' but when you send you your children to school, you won't be. And you think other people are being inflammatory?

mrz - aah, I understand now that you've explained that they are on a modern apprenticeship course. I have done the training for two professions during my lifetime so far. During one of them, I earned a very low income, and during the other (professional training as a teacher) I was paid.... nothing! In fact, at the time I did the training, I had to pay for it myself. So I guess I was teaching for less than nothing during that time! Doesn't mean I wasn't good at the job though.

Twinkle my ds wasnt planned, he was a happy accident, its all well and good saying you should not plan to have children if you are going to dump them in nursery all day, but what if they are not planned? what are you suggesting then? termination? I also didnt forsee my dp doing a runner, if only we could all have lives as perfect as yours

findtheriver I've also trained for two professions and I am also a teacher and funded my own training (earning nothing while I completed a 4 year BEd) but there is a subtle difference. These young people are 16 often having just left school (with basic qualifications) and no idea of what they want to do with their lives. They are being encouraged to go into childcare (after all it is a growing industry) and how hard can it be playing with kids all day? They are being taken on by some unscrupulous settings who view them as a way of maintaining staffing ratios without entailing a huge financial cost. Then they discover that the job is much more demanding than they imagined and they are being paid a pittance for doing it...how much effort do you think they put into it?
As a teacher I am also involved in "placements" for childcare students from local colleges and what I see gives me huge cause for concern. Colleges apparently are paid for pass rates so how many unsuitable students fail? I feel I am very fortunate that I am not in a position of requiring day care for my own children.

mrz, I am very confused by your circumstances - if you are a practising teacher, then presumably you need some sort of care for your children.... Also, if you have huge cause for concern regarding any aspect of your professional life, I hope you are acting accordingly and raising your concerns through the appropriate routes.

I am a practising reception teacher and my partner is at home so I do not need child care. I have raised my concerns with the colleges in question. I also post on a national professional forum and I am far from being alone in my concerns.

Right, well obviously your circumstances are that your partner is happy to not be in paid employment. Many people choose not to have one partner staying home all the time, and many others do not have a choice. It's not particularly helpful to make generalisations about whether people on apprenticeships are not committed/competent/whatever. Obviously you are right to raise concerns over placements in your own classroom if the students concerned are not up to scratch. But that might be something that is very specific to your local area.

sorry that last post was to mrz!

findtheriver if you check the final sentence of my previous post you will see that I am saying it isn't something that is specific to my area as other early years professionals are also reporting similar issues in their areas right across the country.

Well your school shouldnt be accepting people to work there who arent up to the job mrz

My partner is very unhappy to remain at home but unfortunately his health doesn't allow him to work. Hopefully his specialist will have better news next week. It isn't helpful to make assumptions either.

Twinkle it was a genuine question, i am genuinely interested to know what you suggest for people in my circumstances? who have no choice but to leave their dc at nursery all day while they go out to work. I am well aware that this is a board for expressing opinions, however when someone is of the opinion that i am 'dumping' my child at nursery all day then i feel i have to defend myself, i am genuinely interested in peoples suggestions of what else i can do?? other than ther following:

1. Give up my job and live on benefits
2. Find myself a sugar daddy
3. drag my xdp back kicking and screaming

I think your opinion is a bit narrow minded, We are not all in a position to stay at home and look after out children.

Re. conduct on MN regarding other poeples opinions, were you refering to me? can you give me an example?

You need to remember its these terrible parents that pay your wages!

I'm not making any assumptions mrz.

'I feel I am very fortunate that I am not in a position of requiring day care for my own children.' - your words, in a previous post. It now seems that you are saying your situation is unfortunate. I am simply responding to the words you have used.

My school isn't accepting people who aren't fit to work there but until students arrive it is difficult to judge their competence.

I do feel I am fortunate in not needing child care.