To think nursery staff should'nt stink of stale cigarettes?

[Sushipaws]

As an ex-smoker I know I can be a bit anti-smoking, but purely from a health point of view.

I don't care if people want to smoke when they're not looking after my child but when I pick my dd up the room manager smells like an ashtray and it's unpleasant and unhealthy.

Am I being unreasonable or justified in wanting her to wash her hands and change her jumper after she's had a fag?

For the first time ever lulumama, I am going to disagree with you. Smelling garlic or other food stuffs on someone's breath is not the same as cigarette smoke.

they should stink of fresh cig smoke at the v. least

can't get te fkin' staff these days

at lulumama

katiedd wins this weeks award as the mn biggest snob imo

Presumably nursery staff who smoke are doing so outside the school, so it is not 'unhealthy' for the children.

'Unpleasant', maybe, but you can't expect people to smell good all the time. And as an ex-smoker you should know better than others that it is unreasonable to ask someone to change their jumpers after every cigarette (5? 6?) and that it won't even work without washing the hair as well.

So, sorry, but YANBU.

Agree as an ex nursery nurse with a degree who doesn't smoke
Not sure what my 'background' is but neither of my parents smoked either.

YANBU YABU, rather.

Then with respect lilyloo it isn't you i'm referring to is it ? I accept the award and shall place it on my mantlepiece on a doolie

A bit precious, I think. Everyone knows there are some dangers associated with passive smoking however, if the woman is not smoking in front of the children I don't feel it is dangerous to them (ok so the smell may not be pleasant but it's not going to harm anyone). I also think the dangers of passive smoking are exaggerated in the media and in so called studies, on purely anecdotal evidence I have known 5 women smoke whilst pregnant (not one had any complications - lowest birth weight was 7 lb 1, largest 10 lb 7 - no asthma, allergies, lung probs etc) and they still smoke although not in the same room as kids - not recommending this as a positive thing just that there are much worse things you can do.

FWIW, I am a non smoker, dh smoked for 50 years and still managed to father children at 62 and 64 - so some people are just lucky, or less suseptable to the dangers of smoking, he gave up smoking when the ban in pubs came in.

My mum still smokes, she looks after my two and just goes outside, does not bother me - her choice. Growing up my mum and dad smoked and all grandparents (never upstairs but in the house) I am in very good health.

Oh and as to low social groups smoking more , I consider myself working class (non-smoker), dh definately 'middle class' - ex head teacher (smoker) - so bang goes that theory.

tis a doily, n;est ce pas?

LOL! at least you have a sense of humour, katie

"Low paid "workers" seem to smoke, I have drawn that conclusion from the ones I have met through various situations "

Ho ho ho. Thanks for the belly laugh.

I never said you were referring to me to be fair just pointing out there may be other 'types' of low paid workers whom you haven't met !

I actually think the nursery room manager is a well educated lady who comes across very well. She doesn't always smell like smoke so it's not always a problem.

Saying stale was silly, as all cigarette smoke smells stale to a non-smoker, so I'll take that one back.

I'm not bashing smokers, I used to be one and it wasn't that long ago, I remember what it's like to have your choices frowned at. I also understand that once you become a non-smoker you do have a tendency to be a bit harsh towards smokers. This is mainly because you suddenly accept all the health implications that you've been trying to block out because you have an addiction. And stopping smoking was that hardest thing I have ever done and being anti-smoking is one way of expressing the hard work you put into quitting, because hardly anyone says well done, they just say, it's about time you stopped anyway.

I just wondered if I was valid to maybe say something in passing, like - "I can smell smoke, has someone been smoking in here?" Then I'm not accusing her and she might pick that up as a sign to be a bit more carefull.

Is this petty, it's really been bothering me?

I agree it's unpleasant but she may well have washed her hands etc. it's just the smell of smoke that lingers.
Maybe ask her what their smoking policy is with regards to where staff can smoke ?

Now that they have persuaded forced smokers outside, even from our own homes and cars which I think is great btw. Have you noticed the new ad campaign which is implying that smokers are now teaching their children to smoke!!!

Thinking about it the ad shows lowpaid uneducated people. . Katie, I think you'd be surprised how this steroptyping of smokers is just rubbish, same as drug takers.

Am an ex heavy smoker and don't think the poster is being unreasonable at all. I don't think people in childcare should smoke during their shifts at all. When I smoked whilst DD1 was a baby, I only smoked in the evenings when she was in bed much as it killed me!

Also agree that nowadays it is people from more deprived socio-economic groups that continue to smoke. Before anyone accuses me of snobbery, I would like to say I am very proud to call myself working class.

I am sure I have seen published data that demonstrates that people without higher education are more likely to continue smoking than those with.

Abouteve, I agree and many children of smokers are very anti (I was one) and some chose to smoke. Likewise, many children of non-smokers chose to smoke.. oh, including Prince Harry (no-one told him it was a class thing). I agree that smoking in front of children does not set an excellent example, but neither does petty bickering, anger, eating in front of the telly, nagging etc..etc..

Sushi, maybe being an ex smoker has made you super sensitive and perhaps just a little bif miffed that you have managed to give up so why carn't others put the effort in and suffer how I did so that I don't have to be reminded of it.

Well done for giving up btw.

As I said I speak as I find, I have a friend, like her a lot, she came to my children's school to watch a production - she's an electrician btw, double minimum wage lol, anyway we get outside of the school and she lights up, well how one of the other mothers didn't throw a bucket of water over her I don't know, it was funny to watch. I do realise that all sorts of people smoke my point is and this is probably going to come over even worse, you pay peanuts you get monkeys, nurseries don't tend to attract the nice clean smelling, well educated professionals we'd all like to be looking after our children because we the parents don't want to pay the extra that attracting somebody just like mummy to the role would cost.

I quit smoing six months ago and still feel it is unreasonable to expect others to give up a habit they enjoy so they smell better to me.

i don;t think any of the staff at DS's nursery are "monkeys"

i think they would be upset to be categorised as you have

KatieDD its Ok you have already won 'snob of the week' you don't have to try any harder .

Oh and by the way 'low-paid worker' is a laughably inaccurate description of my career in investment banking.