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To think Mumsnet is xenophobic

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sittight · 01/11/2026 22:05

When it comes to Americans?

If it was about any other nation it would be called out as the racism is it.

I’ve seen it today across the Halloween threads - people looking down their nose at Halloween because it’s an ‘American import’ (which it isn’t).

The attitude that baby showers are disdainful because they’re American. The snobbery about proms because they’re American. Elf on the Shelf, gender reveal parties etc. - fair enough if you just don’t like them but there are always derisive posts about them being American.

I suspect the same people embrace traditions imported from other cultures but when it comes to American traditions there is such snobbery.

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EvieBB · 02/11/2026 13:23

EvieBB · 02/11/2026 13:22

why the laughing emoji?
It's well known that US food standards are nowhere near as good as EU laws...which is why I was upset we left Europe!
It's even affecting our chocolate! Cadbury's cocoa content is gradually being reduced year or year as it's been taken over by a US firm...basically the quality is getting shitter each year - they're doing it slowly so that our palate gets used to it and we don't notice 😬

https://brignews.com/2026/04/27/how-cadbury-sold-their-brand-and-ruined-it-for-everybody-shrinkflation-recipe-changes-and-easter-boycott/
@Crushed23

How Cadbury Sold Their Brand And Ruined It For Everybody: Shrinkflation, Recipe Changes and Easter Boycott

Politics Editor Emma from Brig explores the evolution of Cadbury chocolate alongside a recent boycott and the publics' opinions.

https://brignews.com/2026/04/27/how-cadbury-sold-their-brand-and-ruined-it-for-everybody-shrinkflation-recipe-changes-and-easter-boycott

Firefly1987 · 02/11/2026 13:25

EvieBB · 02/11/2026 03:34

Holiday cards? Do you mean Christmas cards?.

Holiday cards I believe are when people send out cards with photos of themselves as a couple or family in matching Christmas jumpers type thing. Not just a regular Christmas card (which I am familiar with!)

ByDreamyMember · 02/11/2026 13:39

For better or for worse, US culture spreads all over the world. Criticising it is hardly 'punching down'.

It feels dull and oppressive when one culture's ideas are disproportionately present in media and commerce...

Quine0nline · 02/11/2026 13:51

British TV companies buy TV programmes and series made in the US. Ideal as we share a common language. UK audiences choose to watch them and they clearly do well. Choice. If a UK government wanted to "protect" the British TV industry then they could impose a tariff on non UK made programmes. Of course it would likely be reciprocated....

If your DC want to go "trick or treating, with a pumpkin" then say no, learn a poem or jokes and take a turnip lantern.

I usually find the xenophobes whining whilst wearing US inspired denim jeans, drinking coke or pepsi and listening to US bands.

Crushed23 · 02/11/2026 13:55

5128gap · 02/11/2026 12:46

I think its mainly because the traditions that have found their way here tend to take something simple and make it elaborate and labour intensive (Halloween) or introduce a new lot of faffery where formerly there was none (baby showers).
In the UK we have a long history, a diverse population and a lot of traditions already, so there's resentment at yet more. For example, we already had Bonfire night on 5th November, now we've also got the big expectation around Halloween a few days earlier.
I know the answer is no one forces you to join in, but given how exposed we are to US culture through TV, films etc, expectations in children are raised and people can feel pressured.

What expectations do children have around baby showers?

I think people are embarrassed at how easily and willingly Brits adopted the tackiest aspects of American culture and make up excuses around social media pressure and pestering children. When in reality we Brits are just no superior culturally than Americans on the whole and like the same vacuous shit.

Almakarlinsghost · 02/11/2026 13:58

EvieBB · 02/11/2026 13:22

why the laughing emoji?
It's well known that US food standards are nowhere near as good as EU laws...which is why I was upset we left Europe!
It's even affecting our chocolate! Cadbury's cocoa content is gradually being reduced year or year as it's been taken over by a US firm...basically the quality is getting shitter each year - they're doing it slowly so that our palate gets used to it and we don't notice 😬

Quite. I have American friends who talk about how much better the food is in Europe (and this doesn't necessarily mean the UK). You even see it on travel forums: US tourists who say they feel ill now they are home due to the additives in food - which they didn't have to eat on holiday in France.

YankSplaining · 02/11/2026 14:12

(points to username)

People here complain about the Americanization of UK culture, but the fact remains that you are choosing to engage with American culture. The average US citizen doesn’t give a damn if you go trick-or-treating, or say “Santa Claus” instead of “Father Christmas,” or eat McDonalds instead of fish and chips. No one makes you do any of that, just like no one makes Americans read Harry Potter or listen to Harry Styles or wonder if Prince Harry will ever get it sorted out with his family.

(Personally, I do care when you throw baby showers minus the common US etiquette surrounding them, and then whin[g]e about “tacky American customs” when you’re throwing baby showers in a way that most Americans would disapprove of. But that’s me.)

I’d say Mumsnet is somewhat xenophobic towards Americans, but I think it was worse a few years ago. I don’t see much “what are you doing here, this is a UK site, go find an American site” sentiment anymore.

Maddy70 · 02/11/2026 14:15

I don't live in the UK and Americans are viewed negatively here as well they are considered as crass, loud and entitled.

5128gap · 02/11/2026 14:35

Crushed23 · 02/11/2026 13:55

What expectations do children have around baby showers?

I think people are embarrassed at how easily and willingly Brits adopted the tackiest aspects of American culture and make up excuses around social media pressure and pestering children. When in reality we Brits are just no superior culturally than Americans on the whole and like the same vacuous shit.

I meant Halloween.

RitaIncognita · 02/11/2026 14:39

Personally, I do care when you throw baby showers minus the common US etiquette surrounding them, and then whin[g]e about “tacky American customs” when you’re throwing baby showers in a way that most Americans would disapprove of. But that’s me.

So true, at least as baby showers in the UK are often described on MN, especially where mothers to be are hosting their own or where invitees are expected to pay for food in addition to bringing a gift. Or where huge numbers of people are invited. Or where invitees are expected to bring a gift to the shower and then another gift when the baby is born. Or having additional baby showers for each baby after the first one.

Crushed23 · 02/11/2026 14:41

5128gap · 02/11/2026 14:35

I meant Halloween.

Halloween is far from just children trick or treating though. My friends in London all went to big Halloween parties in ‘ironic’ rather than scary costumes, and most of them are child-free so won’t have been pestered to celebrate in a very American way by kids.

Let’s face it, Americanisation is a choice. Why not stay home on October 31st? No one has to hilariously dress up as Elizabeth Holmes and Nathan Fielder and party until the early hours.

I should add that these parties definitely pre-date the explosion of social media. I went to one (in the UK) circa 2008 when SM was in its infancy, and it wasn’t particularly ‘new’ back then either.

Yelloweyed · 02/11/2026 14:44

I was ready to tell you to get a grip before I opened the thread but you may have a point. There’s a subset of snobs (and they exist on x too) who like to look down on the lower orders for having “American” fun.

Not to worry I highly doubt many Americans or busy English parents celebrating Halloween with young kids are reading mumsnet.

MeshMesh · 02/11/2026 14:48

Skippythemagnificent · 02/11/2026 13:01

This is exactly what we mean about English xenophobia.

Halloween wasn’t a thing IN ENGLAND. It very much was in Ireland and Scotland because we invented it.

Every year in mumsnet, the English start whinging about Halloween and Scottish and Irish people are going blue in the face telling you over and over again that when you said “wasn’t a thing in Britain” you mean “wasn’t a thing in England”

Do you understand that England is not the only country in Britain?

I mentioned Britain. This does not include Northern Ireland or the Republic.

Around 92% of people in Britain don’t live in Scotland, so I think my generalisation is absolutely fine.

There are some customs in the part of England I live in that arent so common elsewhere in Britain but I don’t get my knickers in a twist if someone making a general
point about Britain doesn’t recognize them.

Calm down.

5128gap · 02/11/2026 14:53

Crushed23 · 02/11/2026 14:41

Halloween is far from just children trick or treating though. My friends in London all went to big Halloween parties in ‘ironic’ rather than scary costumes, and most of them are child-free so won’t have been pestered to celebrate in a very American way by kids.

Let’s face it, Americanisation is a choice. Why not stay home on October 31st? No one has to hilariously dress up as Elizabeth Holmes and Nathan Fielder and party until the early hours.

I should add that these parties definitely pre-date the explosion of social media. I went to one (in the UK) circa 2008 when SM was in its infancy, and it wasn’t particularly ‘new’ back then either.

Edited

I'm sure the adults enjoying the parties aren't the ones complaining.
The OP asked about people who do complain and asked if we thought it was down to xenophobia.
I was just offering the opinion that those who complain resent the pressure for extra faff for new events, rather than resenting it because its Anerican faff. They would probably complain if we started adopting new traditions from Australia that led to their children expecting a new fuss.

Almakarlinsghost · 02/11/2026 15:17

5128gap · 02/11/2026 14:53

I'm sure the adults enjoying the parties aren't the ones complaining.
The OP asked about people who do complain and asked if we thought it was down to xenophobia.
I was just offering the opinion that those who complain resent the pressure for extra faff for new events, rather than resenting it because its Anerican faff. They would probably complain if we started adopting new traditions from Australia that led to their children expecting a new fuss.

I had the impression that the new tradition of proms at UK schools came from Australia rather than the US....because it was such a thing in Neighbours which was a cultural phenomenon in the UK the way that no single U.S. series was (unless there's one I'm forgetting about). Literally EVERYONE watched Neighbours and people also adopted the Australian way of lifting the ends of sentences when speaking.

Goldenbear · 02/11/2026 15:35

Almakarlinsghost · 02/11/2026 15:17

I had the impression that the new tradition of proms at UK schools came from Australia rather than the US....because it was such a thing in Neighbours which was a cultural phenomenon in the UK the way that no single U.S. series was (unless there's one I'm forgetting about). Literally EVERYONE watched Neighbours and people also adopted the Australian way of lifting the ends of sentences when speaking.

What about, 'Dallas', it regularly had 20 million viewers?

Goldenbear · 02/11/2026 15:39

Equally, so much influence in the 90's - MTV, Beverly Hills 90210, Party of Five, Dawson's Creek, All the big hit movies, I mean I was very young but I remember my oldest Brother had an ET stuffed toy and poster that apparently I was always taking.

Goldenbear · 02/11/2026 15:39

Goldenbear · 02/11/2026 15:39

Equally, so much influence in the 90's - MTV, Beverly Hills 90210, Party of Five, Dawson's Creek, All the big hit movies, I mean I was very young but I remember my oldest Brother had an ET stuffed toy and poster that apparently I was always taking.

Obviously ET, early 80's.

Almakarlinsghost · 02/11/2026 15:44

Goldenbear · 02/11/2026 15:35

What about, 'Dallas', it regularly had 20 million viewers?

Yes, but it didn't have kids at school in it. Neighbours was running at the same time and came before all the things like the Beverly Hills shows. I don't know when proms in UK schools started?

Almakarlinsghost · 02/11/2026 15:46

Goldenbear · 02/11/2026 15:39

Obviously ET, early 80's.

No prom-aged kids in ET, I don't think? They were much younger. I am just talking specifically about this one thing - the appearance of proms - rather than US (or in this case maybe Australian) culture coming generally.

Goldenbear · 02/11/2026 15:51

Almakarlinsghost · 02/11/2026 15:46

No prom-aged kids in ET, I don't think? They were much younger. I am just talking specifically about this one thing - the appearance of proms - rather than US (or in this case maybe Australian) culture coming generally.

I didn't watch ET when it first came out as too young but when I did I remember thinking how exciting Halloween looked. It is a great film too!

Abra1t · 02/11/2026 15:53

As far as American traditions are concerned, we seem incapable of understanding the accompanying etiquette.

The one I wish we could import would actually be Thanksgiving.

Goldenbear · 02/11/2026 15:57

Almakarlinsghost · 02/11/2026 15:44

Yes, but it didn't have kids at school in it. Neighbours was running at the same time and came before all the things like the Beverly Hills shows. I don't know when proms in UK schools started?

I don't remember the Prom element of neighbours but certainly the inflection began as a result of that influence. I think Proms came much later, at my sixth form college we had a Leavers Ball and at university they were referred to as Balls that was late 90s and early 00s. I do remember my parents and many friends parents not liking the Americanisation of British culture but they were Middle class Londoners and my much like now associated it with low brow television shows and excessive watching of the box!

5128gap · 02/11/2026 15:58

Almakarlinsghost · 02/11/2026 15:17

I had the impression that the new tradition of proms at UK schools came from Australia rather than the US....because it was such a thing in Neighbours which was a cultural phenomenon in the UK the way that no single U.S. series was (unless there's one I'm forgetting about). Literally EVERYONE watched Neighbours and people also adopted the Australian way of lifting the ends of sentences when speaking.

Yes, I remember that too!

5128gap · 02/11/2026 16:00

Abra1t · 02/11/2026 15:53

As far as American traditions are concerned, we seem incapable of understanding the accompanying etiquette.

The one I wish we could import would actually be Thanksgiving.

We used to have harvest festival. We took food into school that was distributed to people in need and there was a harvest supper in the church hall. Don't know whether this still goes on. It's been a while since I've been to a church or school.