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Why is this man being celebrated?

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fizzywidget · Today 06:31

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8rz38jr50go

so when his child was 8 years old he decided to leave the country and undertake a 28 year walk around the world, setting himself a rule that he couldn’t come back to the UK until he’d completed it, and we’ve celebrating him why?

Karl Bushby, wearing  a fleece and shorts, pushes a handcart along a fast rural road.  An orange hi-vis bib is attached to the front of the cart.

World trekker Karl Bushby's final push home to Hull

Global walker Karl Bushby is almost within sight of his journey's end after 28 years away.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq8rz38jr50go

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Velumental · Today 10:22

LateLifeReturnee · Today 08:30

Unfortunately, paratroopers ex or not were and are targeted in Northern Ireland. Murky circumstances, state collusion and losing relatives with no answers tends to breed bitterness.

I don't know his wife's back ground. If she was from East Belfast and moved back there, no problem, he could visit and he'd have pints waiting for him at the bar. Paratroop Regiment flag flown often in Loyalist areas.

West Belfast, Bogside and other heavily Nationalist areas, they'd know her ex had been a paratropper and shoot him on the wayvtonpuck up.of drop off his son. Someone would notice in those streets. Even to this day he'd be at risk

Somewhere inbetween, rural, small towns, mixed areas, he'd probably be okay. But evebn there, again, the wrong person could notice

Unfortunately the sad reality of Northern Ireland.

He didn't try though did he? And that's Belfast, there's a lot beyond Belfast.

LostWitch · Today 10:23

"It's not as glorious as it looks."

Doesn't look fucking glorious to me. Who was supporting his child while he was on a 28 year jolly? Wanker.

BlueStripeBowl · Today 10:23

Noras · Today 09:48

my daughter has a first in neurology from a red brick - she does not understand PTSD fully but my bother does as he lived it. She studied it - there is a difference.

The man in this article has not said he has PTSD.

If he does it might help to explain his choices (extreme avoidance).

It would not absolve him of his responsibilities as a parent. It would not explain his choice to rigidly stick to his self imposed rules he made for himself. It would not explain living in Mexico rather than coming home.

Velumental · Today 10:24

PollyBell · Today 08:01

So if a woman does one achievement are people going to investigate her private life to see if it is suitable to mean the achievement can be celebrated or not?

Qho get to approve what is acceptable or not?

I don't see the connection between what he did and whatever his private life had in it

What achievement?

He headed off on a round the world trip for almost 30 years, half of which was spent on holiday in Mexico, didn't work a day in his life and abandoned his child.

For what? If a woman headed off leaving an 8 yr old to do the same you think what? She'd be lauded?

NamechangeRugby · Today 10:25

Eristealviper · Today 09:53

It’s quite nice to occasionally hear neutral news which isn’t traumatising or frightening.

I agree. The map of his journey is incredible. If he swam the English channel, did he swim all the other seas? I was thinking the Artic one would be tricky.

Mentally he obviously has a very different way of thinking and dealing with things.

Not easy for his family, but people turn to many ways of coping. Potentially people who find it difficult to cope decide it is better for family if they stay offside. Who knows. The moral maze.

HousePlantEmergency · Today 10:26

A very small extract from his Wikipedia page:

On 1 November 1998, Bushby set off from Punta Arenas, Chile. His route through South America took him through Argentina, Peru, Ecuador, and Colombia. Entering Central America required Bushby to cross the inhospitable Darién Gap. Many locals expected him to be killed or abducted by the paramilitary Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), which viewed all foreigners as potentially part of the U.S.-backed Plan Colombia initiative. Bushby successfully evaded FARC guerillas and entered Panama in February 2001, although he spent 18 days in a jail in Metetí for entering the country without a visa.

For a man with PTSD following years in service? Putting himself knowingly in further danger (alone with no backup) and potentially leaving his child fatherless?

Not to mention the amount of time and money spent by well meaning sponsors and various government officials working on his behalf to secure visas for him.

Velumental · Today 10:26

NamechangeRugby · Today 10:25

I agree. The map of his journey is incredible. If he swam the English channel, did he swim all the other seas? I was thinking the Artic one would be tricky.

Mentally he obviously has a very different way of thinking and dealing with things.

Not easy for his family, but people turn to many ways of coping. Potentially people who find it difficult to cope decide it is better for family if they stay offside. Who knows. The moral maze.

Except that's no how he's playing it is it? He's not saying he left for their good, he's saying he gave them.no.thought because 'family will always be there's he's devaluing their very existence

Velumental · Today 10:27

Noras · Today 09:42

Maybe because he was impossible to live with - he was a paratrooper. We have no idea what that involved and what exercises he did or units he was attached to. However the impact on some of them was horrible - they stopped being the person they were and became quite unbearable.

My brother threw my sister over his shoulder and stood over her with a milk bottle because she hugged him unexpectedly - you really don’t understand PTSD and its impact. he thought that he was being attacked. I have seen my family members sob. The army is cruel at times and we out of it have zero idea. My uncle was involved with the scandal of what happened to those in the African campaign who were accused of disloyalty. He wept to describe how they were treated- this a man who had live ammunition around his neck whilst being fired at to take out tank traps. ( hence the MM). He held my brother whilst he cried because of what he saw and had to do.

Look at how many ex-service men turn to alcohol.

Don't join the military and don'twrry and procreate with men who do is the take home there

Justwonderingifthisisnormal · Today 10:28

Lostthetastefordahlias · Today 06:49

“Bushby says his "opportunity to walk" came following the end of his marriage, with his wife returning to Northern Ireland with their son.”

Wonder what opportunities she was denied due to his failure to share in the work, the love, the time, the effort of being a parent

Omg I thought it was a bit out there but each to their own. This information changes EVERYTHING! Like a child that had a massive strop and just said NO! Imagine the mother did this?!? Can only imagine the headlines!!!

BlueStripeBowl · Today 10:28

tomorrowfollowstoday · Today 09:43

Being a gossip isn't a good trait.
You've no right to know why, but also why do you even care to ask why?
Prying into other people's business, and making 'guesses' about their lives is really unhealthy.

He has written a book. It’s a public article. It’s a thread about feminist issues and the double standards women live under. I am sharing my opinions on this. I am not gossiping. I don’t gossip. I have made some guesses about this man but have been very clear that they are just that. Educated guesses that I don’t know are facts.

Velumental · Today 10:28

Noras · Today 09:35

I don’t think you do unless you have served in a war - there is absolutely nothing to compare even being abused as a child or being beaten as a wife ( terrible as that is ) is not the same as relentless blood. The only people who might come close are firemen / services but even then they are now well cared for in terms of services. It’s a different level being behind enemy lines with no way of surviving - and don’t think that our forces are not planted behind enemy lines at any time. If you are at risk of extreme torture eg having your body cut off piece by piece, if you are submerged in a nuclear submarine with water coming in, or if you have had to kill anyone ( take a life ) - then you can say ‘ I have had PTSD’.

Children don't choose abusive families, wives don't choose to be beaten, joining the military is a choice

NamechangeRugby · Today 10:29

Velumental · Today 10:26

Except that's no how he's playing it is it? He's not saying he left for their good, he's saying he gave them.no.thought because 'family will always be there's he's devaluing their very existence

I did say he seems to have a very different way of thinking about things.

Maybe he just is someone not built to settle down.

BlueStripeBowl · Today 10:30

HousePlantEmergency · Today 10:26

A very small extract from his Wikipedia page:

On 1 November 1998, Bushby set off from Punta Arenas, Chile. His route through South America took him through Argentina, Peru, Ecuador, and Colombia. Entering Central America required Bushby to cross the inhospitable Darién Gap. Many locals expected him to be killed or abducted by the paramilitary Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC), which viewed all foreigners as potentially part of the U.S.-backed Plan Colombia initiative. Bushby successfully evaded FARC guerillas and entered Panama in February 2001, although he spent 18 days in a jail in Metetí for entering the country without a visa.

For a man with PTSD following years in service? Putting himself knowingly in further danger (alone with no backup) and potentially leaving his child fatherless?

Not to mention the amount of time and money spent by well meaning sponsors and various government officials working on his behalf to secure visas for him.

Hmm. What a peach of a man.

AudHvamm · Today 10:30

BlueStripeBowl · Today 10:03

I think those are also very solid guesses also.

His complete lack of empathy or remorse and his total focus on his dreams and his concern about HIM adjusting, scream of self-indulgence, entitlement and a lack of empathy. I see no evidence in the article of him having an ounce of care for the impact on his family.

He may well be demonstrating avoidance related to PTSD in the extreme and if this is the case then I hope he gets help. It would not however absolve him of any detrimental impact if his choices. And embarking on and sticking with this ‘challenge’ is a choice not a symptom. PTSD related avoidance could have been a move to Scotland with phone calls, FaceTime and visits.

Growing up with an abusive father, 30 years of working with 100s of children and families, 12 years reading posts on MN, living through and getting out of an abusive marriage and hearing the stories of the other women I’ve met on that journey and just 50 years on the planet generally - alongside the information in the article, I’d bet good money I’m right. Of course I’m might be wrong.

In fact, I really hope I’m wrong because I am sick to the back teeth of hearing the same stories again and again and men getting away with it. And, if Angela shares her story and I am wrong then I’ll donate £100 to a domestic abuse charity - very happily.

And yet, as I said in my last post, none of this adds anything to the discussion about men abandoning their families to pursue fixations, passions, careers and how much resentment that causes for women who have been socialised, shamed, had their biology exploited and opportunities curtailed so that invariably men can walk away knowing someone will be responsible and women cannot.

I do wonder whether more women would be adventurers or similar if we lived in a more matriarchal society. I think this kind of behaviour is interesting, and has a perspective to offer the rest of us (if you read the guardian article he talks about how much his perspective on humanity as whole changed as a result). I also think it's worth acknowledging it's only possible with often invisible support and consequences.

katzrooldogzdrool · Today 10:31

LateLifeReturnee · Today 08:30

Unfortunately, paratroopers ex or not were and are targeted in Northern Ireland. Murky circumstances, state collusion and losing relatives with no answers tends to breed bitterness.

I don't know his wife's back ground. If she was from East Belfast and moved back there, no problem, he could visit and he'd have pints waiting for him at the bar. Paratroop Regiment flag flown often in Loyalist areas.

West Belfast, Bogside and other heavily Nationalist areas, they'd know her ex had been a paratropper and shoot him on the wayvtonpuck up.of drop off his son. Someone would notice in those streets. Even to this day he'd be at risk

Somewhere inbetween, rural, small towns, mixed areas, he'd probably be okay. But evebn there, again, the wrong person could notice

Unfortunately the sad reality of Northern Ireland.

But he could have got a job in, say, Liverpool, paid child support and maintained contact with his son. An ex-paratrooper would presumably have marketable skills.

Velumental · Today 10:32

BlueStripeBowl · Today 08:22

Yes. I know a woman whose child died - it was such a tragedy. Her (now ex) husband chose to pump all his time and energy into doing sponsored events to raise money for research into the condition. Was hailed a hero and applauded. Meanwhile his wife and remaining children were pretty much abandoned by him and left to grieve without his support.

You never hear of women doing it...

This NICU saved peters life, we're so grateful, he's midcally brittle, been home 2 weeks and still on constant oxygen so I'm training to do base camp at Everest to save money for at Aloysius hospital, it does mean we've had to hire day and night nannies but the important things is showing our appreciation for wee Paul
.. sorry Peter....

Velumental · Today 10:33

NamechangeRugby · Today 10:29

I did say he seems to have a very different way of thinking about things.

Maybe he just is someone not built to settle down.

Probably shouldn't have gotten married and had a baby should he

Thepeopleversuswork · Today 10:33

I thought exactly the same thing. If he had been a woman he would have been regarded as neglectful.

BlueStripeBowl · Today 10:33

AudHvamm · Today 10:30

And yet, as I said in my last post, none of this adds anything to the discussion about men abandoning their families to pursue fixations, passions, careers and how much resentment that causes for women who have been socialised, shamed, had their biology exploited and opportunities curtailed so that invariably men can walk away knowing someone will be responsible and women cannot.

I do wonder whether more women would be adventurers or similar if we lived in a more matriarchal society. I think this kind of behaviour is interesting, and has a perspective to offer the rest of us (if you read the guardian article he talks about how much his perspective on humanity as whole changed as a result). I also think it's worth acknowledging it's only possible with often invisible support and consequences.

Edited

Agree

Burningbud1981 · Today 10:34

Thepeopleversuswork · Today 10:33

I thought exactly the same thing. If he had been a woman he would have been regarded as neglectful.

A BBC news article would have said that ?

BlueStripeBowl · Today 10:36

Burningbud1981 · Today 10:34

A BBC news article would have said that ?

I think an article like this could add in a challenge

‘Some people have criticised X for Y, their response is …’

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 10:36

"WE" are celebrating. I hadn't heard of him and wouldn't have known him from Adam @fizzywidget.

AudHvamm · Today 10:38

BlueStripeBowl · Today 10:33

Agree

So then why aren't we talking about that 😂

blubberyboo · Today 10:39

Velumental · Today 10:22

He didn't try though did he? And that's Belfast, there's a lot beyond Belfast.

Exactly!

All the people on here using NI as an excuse for why this man seemingly couldn't live near or visit his child within a region of the UK but was able to embark on a dangerous world trek.

Are we supposed to believe that was safer for him?? Crossing dangerous jungle, swimming hours to cross seas, arctic regions. So a serviceman couldnt fly to Belfast or bring his child to England for visits but could live alongside Colombian FARC guerilla and Mexican drug trafficking gangs? A man powerful and fearless enough to do all that but couldn't take his kid to Portrush for an ice cream?

Listen to what you are saying before you quote one throwaway line in a Guardian article. Fact check it. The evidence doesn't point to a blanket ban on servicemen living or visiting NI. There was none. Maybe his regiment advised him personally for some reason but thats not the same as banning him. And he wasn't prevented when his service ended.

Stop pointing at the people of NI and examine more about this man. His personality, relationship breakdown, mental health whatever.

His choices were his own.

DeftGoldHedgehog · Today 10:39

I don't think the news report is celebratory, merely factual.