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Andy Burnham is just a dumbed down version of Starmer

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WarmHiker · 24/10/2026 11:18

Just caught a snippet of some confident sounding commentator on tv repeating a line that you tend to hear in all news programmes. That Burnham is personable and has charisma. That line is starting make me think that as a country, the tyranny of low expectations has really hit a new low.

First thing’s first, when did saying ‘isn’t it’ after every sentence pass for charisma. Is the bar for charisma really that low.

Second, the guy’s failed upwards into a job that he’s clearly not fit for. His answer to everything is ‘Booses’.

The economy is on fire, buses. Immigration is out of control, buses. Crime is a problem, buses. We have the most expensive energy, buses. Industry and businesses are shutting down, buses.

He’s basically a small town mayor who accidentally became the prime minister because the quality of talent in parliament is non existent. Manchester is not a small town but running buses in Manchester doesn’t make you fit to be a PM. He was a failed health secretary, failed to be Labour leader twice when he actually had to have proper fight, somehow grifted his way to a mayor job for a decade. And yes his predecessors were any better. But why all the fawning over Burnham.

AIBU to think that we are headed towards a point soon when the public turns on him. He’s utterly out of his depth and the false shine will wear off in no time. A General election is looming.

All in all, so sad to see that this is the calibre of person at the top of government. What has happened to this country that no one smart wants to go anywhere politics.

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Raiderofthelostbattenburg · Today 10:42

1dayatatime · Today 10:32

I agree you that AB is seeking to make small changes to help the cost of living such as scrapping VAT on heating, £2 bus fares. Because frankly given the state of Government finances, bond yields and a political inability to cut spending there isn't a lot else that he can do.

However I do believe that when the public keeps seeing the cost of living go up (for example a 16% increase in electricity and gas prices in January), then they will turn against him viewing for example the removal of 5% on energy bills as irrelevant when they have just gone up 16%!

That might not be fair (it's hardly AB fault that global gas prices rise) but hey politics isn't fair.

I definitely don’t disagree. I suppose politically, I think the interesting questions are firstly, whether Andy Burnham is able to build up enough goodwill and public support in order to ride that out, and secondly whether by that point enough of the electorate believe that any opposition leader has a better chance of tackling those issues.

Llttledrummergirl · Today 10:50

NorthXNorthWest · Today 09:06

no direct cost

Miss the point much.

We understand hardship and struggle so well that we will lower the prices of transport, flag where the cheapest petrol is and... then charge you for access to our plans. 🙄

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Well this is clearly a pile of ewcm. We do have libraries in the UK. These are places that you can go to borrow books for free.

I'm surprised you haven't heard of them. Hth.

1dayatatime · Today 12:29

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · Today 10:42

I definitely don’t disagree. I suppose politically, I think the interesting questions are firstly, whether Andy Burnham is able to build up enough goodwill and public support in order to ride that out, and secondly whether by that point enough of the electorate believe that any opposition leader has a better chance of tackling those issues.

Average voters are very fickle with very short term memories. Sunak spaffed £600 million on eat out to help out (aka eat out to spread out) on half priced Nando's and was incredibly popular for it (bread and games!) and even that wasn't enough to save him. So AB's £2 bus fares are really not going to cut it with such average voters.

The beauty of being in opposition is not to go into much detail on what you would do different but simply "not being the other guy." Or in the case of the LibDems a near complete absence of alternative policies and a 100% focus on not being the other guy.

It's not foolproof though - it clearly worked for Labour at the last election, but they did have some alternative vision and the Tories did a shit job despite Sunak being a very capable PM.

On the other hand Kamala Harris basing her complete campaign on not being the other guy and a complete absence of alternative policy failed miserably.

EasternStandard · Today 12:36

1dayatatime · Today 12:29

Average voters are very fickle with very short term memories. Sunak spaffed £600 million on eat out to help out (aka eat out to spread out) on half priced Nando's and was incredibly popular for it (bread and games!) and even that wasn't enough to save him. So AB's £2 bus fares are really not going to cut it with such average voters.

The beauty of being in opposition is not to go into much detail on what you would do different but simply "not being the other guy." Or in the case of the LibDems a near complete absence of alternative policies and a 100% focus on not being the other guy.

It's not foolproof though - it clearly worked for Labour at the last election, but they did have some alternative vision and the Tories did a shit job despite Sunak being a very capable PM.

On the other hand Kamala Harris basing her complete campaign on not being the other guy and a complete absence of alternative policy failed miserably.

The comparative gesture could be the energy relief money, which was very high. £51bn in support. People still got annoyed as money landed in accounts. I guess we’ll see how gherkins and marmalade plays out.

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