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To be sick of people being so negative about the things Burnham is putting into place

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histrainersbythedoor · 20/10/2026 17:11

Nobody thinks they’ll fix everything but he’s doing small things that can be actioned quickly and will drastically improve aspects of our lives that have got worse over the last two decades - parking fines, music on trains, vaping on public transport. They’re all small things, yes, but they will make things a little better.

He’s not said anywhere that he thinks that doing these things will save Britain. So why are people acting like he has said that?

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noworklifebalance · 20/10/2026 18:33

histrainersbythedoor · 20/10/2026 18:27

Or vacancies are being filled?

No

TopPocketFind · 20/10/2026 18:33

StarDolphins · 20/10/2026 18:19

The £2 might help but the airlines forced to stop the £8.99 sitting together will mean it’s just hidden in the overall price. There’s 100+ more important things for him to be getting done instead of concentrating on teeny things.

They are getting on with these 100+ important thing too.

These smaller gestures are important too.

AbouttimeIhadanewusername · 20/10/2026 18:33

Wintersonata · 20/10/2026 18:29

parking fines, music on trains, vaping on public transport.

I think banning loud music and vaping on public transport is an excellent idea, but who is going to stop it?
The guard or ticket collector or bus driver won’t want to risk being hurt.

Exactly. I waited 50 minutes on a station platform yesterday, There were several no smoking/ no vaping signs but do you think anyone took any notice?!

BoredZelda · 20/10/2026 18:34

AbouttimeIhadanewusername · 20/10/2026 18:22

Hospital waiting lists came down under Starmer but have just gone up for the 4th month in a row. 🤔

That’s half the story. A record number of services were delivered over that time, but was outpaced by an increase in the number of referrals. This is because there are more GP appointments being offered, more patients being seen. A victim of their own success there.

EasternStandard · 20/10/2026 18:34

Wintersonata · 20/10/2026 18:29

parking fines, music on trains, vaping on public transport.

I think banning loud music and vaping on public transport is an excellent idea, but who is going to stop it?
The guard or ticket collector or bus driver won’t want to risk being hurt.

You’re right it’s not their remit to stop it. Especially not the bus drivers, it wouldn’t work anyway as they’ll have to concentrate on their own job. It’s meant to be local police or transport safety officers (not sure where they are).

Holeymoley28 · 20/10/2026 18:35

AbouttimeIhadanewusername · 20/10/2026 18:33

Exactly. I waited 50 minutes on a station platform yesterday, There were several no smoking/ no vaping signs but do you think anyone took any notice?!

I find vapers the worst. Even in school playgrounds at pick up. I think to my self you wouldn’t light up here so why vape. Mind boggling.

histrainersbythedoor · 20/10/2026 18:35

noworklifebalance · 20/10/2026 18:33

No

Unemployment is down.

Job vacancies are down.

The natural conclusion is that people are getting jobs and staying in them.

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LlynTegid · 20/10/2026 18:35

I agree about small things being improved. Not sure all of those planned will be effective, the one about parking rip-offs will be a start though as the AA/RAC have pointed out, not far enough.

A simple one would be ending the time change twice a year. Either BST year round or GMT year round would save lives- Dr Hannah Fry pointed out the medical impacts, and in the four years of BST year round, car crashes in November reduced.

histrainersbythedoor · 20/10/2026 18:36

LlynTegid · 20/10/2026 18:35

I agree about small things being improved. Not sure all of those planned will be effective, the one about parking rip-offs will be a start though as the AA/RAC have pointed out, not far enough.

A simple one would be ending the time change twice a year. Either BST year round or GMT year round would save lives- Dr Hannah Fry pointed out the medical impacts, and in the four years of BST year round, car crashes in November reduced.

The issue is though itll be dark until 10am if the clocks don’t change.

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BoredZelda · 20/10/2026 18:38

hellesbells · 20/10/2026 18:31

its going take a long time to put right the Conservatives destruction of this country

Conservative, and labour before them and conservatives before that etc. And Sub-prime mortgages and Brexit and Covid and Ukraine and Iran. The instability across the world in the last 20 years with no real effort to mitigate any of it has got us to where we are, and yet Burnham is expected to fix it in a fortnight.

BoredZelda · 20/10/2026 18:38

histrainersbythedoor · 20/10/2026 18:36

The issue is though itll be dark until 10am if the clocks don’t change.

And it impacts the north of Scotland way more than the south of England.

AbouttimeIhadanewusername · 20/10/2026 18:38

LlynTegid · 20/10/2026 18:35

I agree about small things being improved. Not sure all of those planned will be effective, the one about parking rip-offs will be a start though as the AA/RAC have pointed out, not far enough.

A simple one would be ending the time change twice a year. Either BST year round or GMT year round would save lives- Dr Hannah Fry pointed out the medical impacts, and in the four years of BST year round, car crashes in November reduced.

It really depends where in the UK you live. Aberdeen or Andover.

NorthXNorthWest · 20/10/2026 18:39

histrainersbythedoor · 20/10/2026 18:17

I get the bus to and from work.

Then I am surprised you think that it will be so easy to implement or that all it will take is a couple of fines for kids to comply or even that kids are the main problem.

BoredZelda · 20/10/2026 18:40

Timemouse · 20/10/2026 18:28

I care about the economy and defence because without those two things we are nothing. Kemi is doing very well and attracting back a lot of the boomer voters who were going to vote for Farage.i expect she’ll attract a lot of Labour Brexit lovers too.

What are Badenoch’s plans to fix the economy and increase defence spending?

NorthXNorthWest · 20/10/2026 18:40

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They don't have enough connected systems or controls to know the exact figure for benefit fraud. It's a best guess, which is not good enough for tax payers money.

BoredZelda · 20/10/2026 18:41

NorthXNorthWest · 20/10/2026 18:39

Then I am surprised you think that it will be so easy to implement or that all it will take is a couple of fines for kids to comply or even that kids are the main problem.

You don’t think enforcement of laws reduces the number of people breaking the law?

LlynTegid · 20/10/2026 18:41

histrainersbythedoor · 20/10/2026 18:36

The issue is though itll be dark until 10am if the clocks don’t change.

That is an argument for GMT year round, or if you must change clocks, say only from mid-November until mid-February.

StarDolphins · 20/10/2026 18:43

Raiderofthelostbattenburg · 20/10/2026 18:21

It is so easy to be snobby and sneering about bus fares but for millions of ordinary working people, that is exactly the kind of thing that actually matters to their day to day life.

As for the rest, UK unemployment is actually down - it was in the news either yesterday or today that it has fallen to* *its lowest level in over a year. And we all know the debt is a problem, but in Bangkok last week the IMF literally singled out the UK to praise its deficit reduction plans.

Of course you can dislike the direction of travel of the government, but at least base your dislike on facts. The constant doom mongering about the country just gets so tiresome: and I actually think that's why Andy Burnham's hope messaging is cutting through.

The IMF can praise all they like, but they’re praising a ‘plan’ not a result. The IMF also highlighted the UK’s high borrowing costs and that urgent debate is needed about spending priorities. We borrowed 18billion in August so it’s hardly doom mongering!

I’m also not being snobby about the £2 bus fare cap, I’ve stated this on previous replies.

5128gap · 20/10/2026 18:44

dontcookwontcook · 20/10/2026 17:45

Right so you use social care reform as a rod to beat me with and when I respond that he hasn’t actually done anything (and likely won’t before the end of the his term) then, that’s ok too?

I'm sorry, I genuinely don't understand your comment about using social care as 'a rod to beat you with'.
You think that because social care won't be reformed by the end of his term, he will have done nothing.
I think that starting the process IS doing something, and it wouldn't be possible to have fully achieved it by the end of term because its too big a project.
You are talking about an outcome. I'm talking about an action. An action is doing something.

LlynTegid · 20/10/2026 18:44

NorthXNorthWest · 20/10/2026 18:39

Then I am surprised you think that it will be so easy to implement or that all it will take is a couple of fines for kids to comply or even that kids are the main problem.

Hence my wish it was an alternative to fines, something that really hurts. A possibility is to make it a condition of a phone contract not to use in this way, and if you do, the phone service provider has to cut you off and you lose the phone number. So many things are linked to phone number that the inconvenience would be great.

noworklifebalance · 20/10/2026 18:45

The natural conclusion is not necessarily the right conclusion and it’s also very simplistic.

You need to look at where the vacancies are falling and why. How significant the fall in unemployment is, at what level/demographic unemployment remains high and the impact of reduction on vacancies in the economy and those seeking work.

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 20/10/2026 18:46

histrainersbythedoor · 20/10/2026 18:10

Unemployment is down

Is that because job seekers have switched over to sickness benefits.

RaggedRocks · 20/10/2026 18:47

histrainersbythedoor · 20/10/2026 17:22

Ah, one of these!

He is very clearly multitasking - there is a budget coming next week. Very clearly a lot of these things will be addressed then. But doing things that benefit everyday people will help.

I get public transport everyday. All it will take is one or two of the kids that sit and watch TikTok on their phones to get a fine before they stop. Same with the trains. Are you really of the belief that if something doesn’t benefit you directly, it shouldn’t be done?

They won't pay the fine.

Persephonia1966 · 20/10/2026 18:47

BoredZelda · 20/10/2026 18:34

That’s half the story. A record number of services were delivered over that time, but was outpaced by an increase in the number of referrals. This is because there are more GP appointments being offered, more patients being seen. A victim of their own success there.

I'm reserving judgement until more time has passed. You can't really measure waiting times on a monthly basis as there's natural fluctuation over the course of a year. Really you need at least a couple of years to see whether improvements are being made on the really important issues (and sometimes it can take a decade for food/bad effects to filter through).
It's hard to tell people to wait years to see improvements though. Which I'm assuming is part of the reason they are publicising efforts to fix the "small" stuff since it's those cumulative annoyances that are most in peoples faces. That's sensible strategy so long as they also work on the big picture stuff at the same time.

Dollymylove · 20/10/2026 18:49

Its great that hes making it an offence to play loud music on public transport, against a backdrop of massive NHS waiting lists, the lack of GP appointments, the homelessness crisis, the cost of living crisis, and of course the elephant in the room, the illegal immigrant problem.
Bravo Andy👏👏👏