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JoSFry · 20/10/2026 09:26

Come on …. When will people wake up to the pollution these things cause!

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Dragonscaledaisy · 22/10/2026 07:48

Limeandfigs · 20/10/2026 14:25

But the biggest missing point in your argument is that wood burning doesn’t just affect the person choosing to light the stove.

Your personal willingness to accept a risk doesn’t automatically make that risk acceptable for everyone around you.

I take your point, but the same could be said about almost anything we do, since very few of us live such isolated lives.

Choosing to drive a car = increased emissions which everyone breathes, contributing to congestion which exacerbates emissions, and your very presence on the road increases the risk to more vulnerable road users. And yet we drive.

Choosing to fly to Greece for a holiday = increased emissions, contributing to global warming and the very wildfires Greece suffers from, pressure on local water resources, pressure on local housing. And yet we fly and holiday abroad more frequently than ever.

Buying fast fashion = directly contributing to human slavery, huge environmental issues, adding yet more micro plastics into our water system when we wash those clothes, which other people will later end up drinking or which will end up in the soil. And yet...

That looks like a very long list of excuses to me.

Natsku · 22/10/2026 10:51

UniquePinkSwan · 21/10/2026 09:43

I’m all electric and have no fear. I have 2 electric cars that will provide ample power in the event of a power cut

For how long a powercut?

Statsquestion1 · 22/10/2026 10:55

Natsku · 22/10/2026 10:51

For how long a powercut?

Our 10kw battery will run the essentials for about 18-25 hours and that’s if it’s on full when the power goes off and if there is no solar being generated. If there’s solar being generated too then longer.

Natsku · 22/10/2026 11:00

Statsquestion1 · 22/10/2026 10:55

Our 10kw battery will run the essentials for about 18-25 hours and that’s if it’s on full when the power goes off and if there is no solar being generated. If there’s solar being generated too then longer.

I had a powercut last 5 days once. Would have been screwed if I wasn't living in a house with wood fire heating and cooking stove (and if I hadn't predicted it and hadn't filled the 200l bucket full of water before the power cut, cutting the water supply too)

We have solar panels but they won't provide electricity during a powercut.

Statsquestion1 · 22/10/2026 11:05

Natsku · 22/10/2026 11:00

I had a powercut last 5 days once. Would have been screwed if I wasn't living in a house with wood fire heating and cooking stove (and if I hadn't predicted it and hadn't filled the 200l bucket full of water before the power cut, cutting the water supply too)

We have solar panels but they won't provide electricity during a powercut.

Yeah we specifically installed a system that we can transfer over to provide electricity during a powercut. To be honest, the house is highly insulated so we’re never going to be freezing. We haven’t even turned on our heating yet. So in theory all we need to do is run the essentials in the event of Power cut. I also have a gas Camping stove, that I can use for cooking. I’m not worried at all. I live in a town so I doubt we’ll have our electricity gone for much longer than 48 hours max. But I have lived rurally and have never had the electricity gone for more than 10 hours. So it is area dependent, I’m sure.

our battery is currently already at 86% and charging, we are not drawing anything from the grid. So if we had a powercut we would be fine right now.

Swissmeringue · 22/10/2026 11:08

We have two. We live rurally and regularly have power outages, they provide heat, warmth and light, I absolutely wouldn't be without them.

We have a huge inglenook fireplace where most of the kiln dried wood we burn sits for at least a month before we burn it and have them both serviced annually.

GasPanic · 22/10/2026 11:23

Meadowfinch · 22/10/2026 01:46

Cost:

Log burner & flue liner in 2013 - £1500
Chimney sweep - £75 p.a. from 2014
Wood £0 (a felled 60' sallow and a dead ash tree)
Replacement firebrick in 2025 - £85

Gas bill reduced by £200 in year 1
Gas bill reduced by £300 in year 2
Gas bill reduced by £350 in year 3
Gas bill reduced by £350 in year 4
Gas bill reduced by £350 in year 5
Gas bill reduced by £350 in year 6
Gas bill reduced by £350 in year 7

Since 2020 my log burner has saved me £350 a year. In 22/23 it saved £475 because the gas price was much higher. I know my own household budget.

How much time and effort goes into processing all the wood and shifting it, cleaning out the stove etc ?

From what I can tell 15 minutes a day is a reasonable amount of time to spend cutting wood and maintaining a fire, or £4 per day if you cost it at mimimum wage.

1dayatatime · 22/10/2026 11:25

Statsquestion1 · 22/10/2026 10:55

Our 10kw battery will run the essentials for about 18-25 hours and that’s if it’s on full when the power goes off and if there is no solar being generated. If there’s solar being generated too then longer.

That's 400 w to 500 w per hour. Great for lighting but no electric cooker 3000 watts, no washing machine, no dishwasher, no fridge or freezer, no TV or computers and definitely no electric heating.

1dayatatime · 22/10/2026 11:28

GasPanic · 22/10/2026 11:23

How much time and effort goes into processing all the wood and shifting it, cleaning out the stove etc ?

From what I can tell 15 minutes a day is a reasonable amount of time to spend cutting wood and maintaining a fire, or £4 per day if you cost it at mimimum wage.

In my case way too much time is the answer and alot more than 15 minutes per day.

However I have hit on a genius solution of child labour which is help bring in the logs or freeze. Seems to work.

i would happily stop using our log burners and save all the faff if the cost of gas central heating was significantly lower.

boredandgrand · 22/10/2026 11:29

GasPanic · 22/10/2026 11:23

How much time and effort goes into processing all the wood and shifting it, cleaning out the stove etc ?

From what I can tell 15 minutes a day is a reasonable amount of time to spend cutting wood and maintaining a fire, or £4 per day if you cost it at mimimum wage.

I love processing my wood. I have just had a large cherry tree cut down and I am slowly cutting and splitting it ready to dry out. It keeps me fit and gives me valuable time outdoors which I love.

GasPanic · 22/10/2026 11:30

I suppose the question is, should I be allowed to damage everyone elses environment to make my lifestyle less costly ?

Let's take cars for example. Cars have cats to clean up the emissions. Those cats come at a cost, either on the initial sale price of the car, the maintenance/ the lifespan.

Should I be able to run a car without a cat, and claim that I am justified in emitting the pollution because otherwise I wouldn't be able to run a car and afford a holiday ?

Some might claim so.

Others might argue I should get a smaller cheaper car, or get the bus, or not take the holiday, or give up the car altogether, or earn more money.

In cars you don't have a choice of course, because the cat is mandatory.

WhosGotTheKeysToMyBimma · 22/10/2026 11:42

Natsku · 22/10/2026 11:00

I had a powercut last 5 days once. Would have been screwed if I wasn't living in a house with wood fire heating and cooking stove (and if I hadn't predicted it and hadn't filled the 200l bucket full of water before the power cut, cutting the water supply too)

We have solar panels but they won't provide electricity during a powercut.

You can get a switchover/gateway installed which will allow you to do that.

We live in a town and I spent the extra to allow that to happen. Energy instability in the future is not unlikely I think.

Statsquestion1 · 22/10/2026 11:50

1dayatatime · 22/10/2026 11:25

That's 400 w to 500 w per hour. Great for lighting but no electric cooker 3000 watts, no washing machine, no dishwasher, no fridge or freezer, no TV or computers and definitely no electric heating.

No that includes our fridge. The only thing we cannot run on it is the hob and there was one other item (which I can’t remember off the top of my head tbh) we have a heat pump so again, I’m unsure as to whether it can run that, but we have an inverter so it could possibly. As I have said I’m not really worried about heat because our house is highly insulated we still don’t have our heating on despite it being 13° outside.

Natsku · 22/10/2026 12:07

Statsquestion1 · 22/10/2026 11:05

Yeah we specifically installed a system that we can transfer over to provide electricity during a powercut. To be honest, the house is highly insulated so we’re never going to be freezing. We haven’t even turned on our heating yet. So in theory all we need to do is run the essentials in the event of Power cut. I also have a gas Camping stove, that I can use for cooking. I’m not worried at all. I live in a town so I doubt we’ll have our electricity gone for much longer than 48 hours max. But I have lived rurally and have never had the electricity gone for more than 10 hours. So it is area dependent, I’m sure.

our battery is currently already at 86% and charging, we are not drawing anything from the grid. So if we had a powercut we would be fine right now.

That sounds like a good set up!

Natsku · 22/10/2026 12:10

WhosGotTheKeysToMyBimma · 22/10/2026 11:42

You can get a switchover/gateway installed which will allow you to do that.

We live in a town and I spent the extra to allow that to happen. Energy instability in the future is not unlikely I think.

I need to ask my partner about that, he installed our system so maybe he can install a switchover too. Though our panels don't generate much in winter since we had to move them to the garage roof, before that we had them on the wall of the house and they caught the sunrays reflecting off the snow (Finland, so usually snow on the ground most of winter)

Natsku · 22/10/2026 12:11

Wish I could not worry about heat but in a wooden detached house in cold winter conditions it'll drop to below ten indoors fairly quickly

carkey26 · 22/10/2026 12:16

GasPanic · 22/10/2026 11:30

I suppose the question is, should I be allowed to damage everyone elses environment to make my lifestyle less costly ?

Let's take cars for example. Cars have cats to clean up the emissions. Those cats come at a cost, either on the initial sale price of the car, the maintenance/ the lifespan.

Should I be able to run a car without a cat, and claim that I am justified in emitting the pollution because otherwise I wouldn't be able to run a car and afford a holiday ?

Some might claim so.

Others might argue I should get a smaller cheaper car, or get the bus, or not take the holiday, or give up the car altogether, or earn more money.

In cars you don't have a choice of course, because the cat is mandatory.

I agree with this, and in my opinion shows how unreasonable it is.

I'm curious to what the people with log burners will make of this. A lot of impact on the environment and health for the sake of what one poster estimated as only a few £ a year savings. And that's without buying the wood or taking into account the labour, then you're probably not even saving any £ at all!

MyOliveStork · 22/10/2026 12:18

Going to be using ours a lot more this winter due to the cost of heating oil having gone through the roof!!!!

carkey26 · 22/10/2026 12:19

Meadowfinch · 22/10/2026 01:46

Cost:

Log burner & flue liner in 2013 - £1500
Chimney sweep - £75 p.a. from 2014
Wood £0 (a felled 60' sallow and a dead ash tree)
Replacement firebrick in 2025 - £85

Gas bill reduced by £200 in year 1
Gas bill reduced by £300 in year 2
Gas bill reduced by £350 in year 3
Gas bill reduced by £350 in year 4
Gas bill reduced by £350 in year 5
Gas bill reduced by £350 in year 6
Gas bill reduced by £350 in year 7

Since 2020 my log burner has saved me £350 a year. In 22/23 it saved £475 because the gas price was much higher. I know my own household budget.

I personally wouldn't be willing to negatively impact mine, my children's and my neighbours' long-term health for £350 a year. And I'm not rich by any stretch!

And you must be in the minority of woodburner users who don't have to buy wood so the savings would usually be even smaller.

GasPanic · 22/10/2026 12:35

carkey26 · 22/10/2026 12:16

I agree with this, and in my opinion shows how unreasonable it is.

I'm curious to what the people with log burners will make of this. A lot of impact on the environment and health for the sake of what one poster estimated as only a few £ a year savings. And that's without buying the wood or taking into account the labour, then you're probably not even saving any £ at all!

A lot of people think the labour is free. And the wood is free.

Of course there is no such thing as free labour or free wood.

All wood belongs to someone and is a product of the land it grows on. Owning that land comes at a cost (for example you may own land that cost you £100K, that £100K would make £5K a year currently if it was in a bank rather than tied up in land that produced wood), wood might be considered one of the benefits of ownership.

1dayatatime · 22/10/2026 12:39

boredandgrand · 22/10/2026 11:29

I love processing my wood. I have just had a large cherry tree cut down and I am slowly cutting and splitting it ready to dry out. It keeps me fit and gives me valuable time outdoors which I love.

As they say chopping wood keeps you warm twice- once from chopping it and second from burning it!

1dayatatime · 22/10/2026 12:49

GasPanic · 22/10/2026 11:30

I suppose the question is, should I be allowed to damage everyone elses environment to make my lifestyle less costly ?

Let's take cars for example. Cars have cats to clean up the emissions. Those cats come at a cost, either on the initial sale price of the car, the maintenance/ the lifespan.

Should I be able to run a car without a cat, and claim that I am justified in emitting the pollution because otherwise I wouldn't be able to run a car and afford a holiday ?

Some might claim so.

Others might argue I should get a smaller cheaper car, or get the bus, or not take the holiday, or give up the car altogether, or earn more money.

In cars you don't have a choice of course, because the cat is mandatory.

An interesting question and could equally be turned around to "should someone else's health concerns (asthma etc) trump my and my family's resulting health issues from a cold and damp house over winter"

Yes you can respond with "well use your gas fired central heating " but at current gas prices that will simply not be possible, affordable and will not happen. At the same time I have access to free wood and two modern and compliant wood burners - so what should I do?

Its not possible for me to install double glazing or solar as the house is Grade 2 and the house is insulated in every other way possible.

Which reminds me to go and put some more logs on.

TrackingShoe · 22/10/2026 13:05

Not had a log burner but my previous house had a pellet burner. It was amazing. Very clean, no having to light it myself etc. I could even turn it on via an app on my phone so I could get home to a warm house on a cold day, or set it to come on and off at certain times like a boiler. Fab. I miss it.

TheSassyPinkJoker · 22/10/2026 13:58

I have a Woodburn and solars my bills for gas and electric are £500 approx and get back £450 from the solar

JoSFry · 22/10/2026 23:29

We are seriously considering moving house as wood burners are just prolific … but that means somewhere potentially remote …

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