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Another neigbour getting a wood burner

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JoSFry · 20/10/2026 09:26

Come on …. When will people wake up to the pollution these things cause!

OP posts:
DinoDoughnut81 · 20/10/2026 14:17

I think it's fair enough in rural places but in built up areas? If you have a few of these in a street you can smell them. It's like passive smoking for me. I don't care what you put in your own body or home as it is. But I don't want to breathe it in, on top of all the road pollution. If you live in a city where live air monitoring is carried out you can see for yourself the poor quality of air you breathe in. If you run or cycle then you feel it in your lungs when you breathe in heavily. Awful for asthmatics too.

Autumn64 · 20/10/2026 14:20

The simplest way to end log burners is to make electricity very cheap. Our house is heated by a boiler stove, the wood is free but it has to be cut, chopped, stacked,carried in, then there’s the chimney to sweep and the dust. I’d happily swap to electric heating, cooking and hot water if I could afford it.
You can get lovely electric stoves.

brunettemic · 20/10/2026 14:22

WitchesCatWhisker · 20/10/2026 10:01

Love my wood burner! Interestingly I have a smart air purifier and when I run my burner it doesn’t register any pollution. What does send it crazy is using the toaster and gas stove.

Do not besmirch the good name of toast! 😂

BatchCookBabe · 20/10/2026 14:24

JoSFry · 20/10/2026 09:26

Come on …. When will people wake up to the pollution these things cause!

I agree @JoSFry If you have central heating, this is basically a hobby. No need for one at all. My neighbour actually has a wood burner (cost her £3K two years ago.) She was mad for it for the first winter (she had it October 2024,) and had it lit all the time for about 4 months! But the shine soon wore off, as she got sick of having to get the wood/logs in, and chop them. Also she started to get worried about the fumes as she had a baby in early summer 2025.

Hasn't had it lit since April 2025. What a waste of money. She has her house on the market - went up in early September, and so far, two different prospective buyers have been put of because of the wood burner.

Limeandfigs · 20/10/2026 14:25

JoSFry · 20/10/2026 14:09

I think you’re making a reasonable point about the importance of distinguishing relative risk from absolute risk, but you’re also overlooking something fundamental.

The scientific evidence that fine particulate matter (PM2.5) is harmful to human health is already substantial.

We know that wood burning produces significant quantities of these particles, along with other harmful pollutants. This isn’t simply a case of researchers speculating about possible health effects.

You’re also suggesting that researchers need to eliminate every other possible contributing factor before they can establish a risk. That’s not how epidemiology works. Researchers routinely account for factors such as smoking, age, existing health conditions and other pollution sources. Otherwise, we would struggle to establish the health effects of almost any environmental exposure.

But the biggest missing point in your argument is that wood burning doesn’t just affect the person choosing to light the stove.

The smoke goes up the chimney and into the surrounding environment, where it can affect neighbours, including children, elderly people and those with respiratory conditions. They haven’t chosen to expose themselves to that pollution, and they don’t benefit from the warmth of your home.

And while you’re absolutely right that a 60% increase in risk needs context, a relatively small increase in individual risk can still translate into thousands of additional cases of illness when an entire population is exposed.

I also think it’s incorret to frame this as a choice between having a wood burner and living in a cold, damp house. Of course cold homes are harmful, but that doesn’t mean wood burning is the only way to heat a home.

Nobody needs to claim that every wood burner will cause dementia or condemn children to lifelong lung disease to recognise that wood smoke is a genuine public health concern.

The relevant question isn’t whether you personally will notice a reduction in your life expectancy. It’s whether routinely releasing harmful pollutants into the air, particularly when cleaner alternatives are available, is justified when other people have to breathe them too.

Your personal willingness to accept a risk doesn’t automatically make that risk acceptable for everyone around you.

But the biggest missing point in your argument is that wood burning doesn’t just affect the person choosing to light the stove.

Your personal willingness to accept a risk doesn’t automatically make that risk acceptable for everyone around you.

I take your point, but the same could be said about almost anything we do, since very few of us live such isolated lives.

Choosing to drive a car = increased emissions which everyone breathes, contributing to congestion which exacerbates emissions, and your very presence on the road increases the risk to more vulnerable road users. And yet we drive.

Choosing to fly to Greece for a holiday = increased emissions, contributing to global warming and the very wildfires Greece suffers from, pressure on local water resources, pressure on local housing. And yet we fly and holiday abroad more frequently than ever.

Buying fast fashion = directly contributing to human slavery, huge environmental issues, adding yet more micro plastics into our water system when we wash those clothes, which other people will later end up drinking or which will end up in the soil. And yet...

Meadowfinch · 20/10/2026 14:25

Each to their own,

I live rurally, and have a log burner. I have home grown wood so cut & season my own. No diesel miles. Closest neighbours are about 30m away.

No issues. My utilities bill is about £1k a year for a 4 bed house.

A couple of winters ago we had a 4 day power cut. We had heat & (very) basic cooking My elderly neighbours had no heating or cooking facilities at all, so came to stay.

Sorry OP, but not everyone lives in London. Powercuts are not rare here. Power comes in over-land. So you do you, and we'll do whatever is necessary.

BatchCookBabe · 20/10/2026 14:30

Meadowfinch · 20/10/2026 14:25

Each to their own,

I live rurally, and have a log burner. I have home grown wood so cut & season my own. No diesel miles. Closest neighbours are about 30m away.

No issues. My utilities bill is about £1k a year for a 4 bed house.

A couple of winters ago we had a 4 day power cut. We had heat & (very) basic cooking My elderly neighbours had no heating or cooking facilities at all, so came to stay.

Sorry OP, but not everyone lives in London. Powercuts are not rare here. Power comes in over-land. So you do you, and we'll do whatever is necessary.

By closest neighbours 30m away, you mean metres?

Hellohelga · 20/10/2026 14:32

WhosGotTheKeysToMyBimma · 20/10/2026 09:32

Move out of your naice MC area OP, it's the only way.

I used to live in a big city and the woodsmoke in the posh areas was INSANE in the winter. It used to set off my asthma on foggy days when it all hangs round the street

My down at heel area with the same style of houses never had a whiff of it.

My BIL in working class part of Liverpool installed a wood burner last year.
ETA he’s not posh

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 20/10/2026 14:33

AuxArmesCitoyens · 20/10/2026 13:43

Agree the environmental case is more complex than people think. Around 50% of harvested timber is lost in the logging process (bark, branches, odd bits etc). Those waste offcuts can be industrially incincinerated and the heat wasted, or they can be collected and turned into pellets for home or urban heating to capture and use that energy.

Here in Maine approx 25% of the electricity produced is from biomass.

Meadowfinch · 20/10/2026 14:33

Clearinguptheclutter · 20/10/2026 13:54

we had a woodburner in the last house but a heat pump in the current one. Guess which house is cosier! Def the latter

Which sounds fab but the quote to change my house to a heat pump was £28k. Even with a grant, still £21k.

My log burner & liner were £2k and paid for itself in three years. That was 11 years ago.

Meadowfinch · 20/10/2026 14:35

BatchCookBabe · 20/10/2026 14:30

By closest neighbours 30m away, you mean metres?

yes. Not miles 😁

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 20/10/2026 14:35

Clearinguptheclutter · 20/10/2026 13:54

we had a woodburner in the last house but a heat pump in the current one. Guess which house is cosier! Def the latter

We had both in our last house, and after today will have both in our newer house.

With the cost of electricity here the woodstove makes a significant difference to my bills, and the house is warm even in severe northern New England cold.

muddyford · 20/10/2026 14:42

Autumn64 · 20/10/2026 14:20

The simplest way to end log burners is to make electricity very cheap. Our house is heated by a boiler stove, the wood is free but it has to be cut, chopped, stacked,carried in, then there’s the chimney to sweep and the dust. I’d happily swap to electric heating, cooking and hot water if I could afford it.
You can get lovely electric stoves.

And those of us in rural areas don't have reliable electricity during storms. I'm looking to move and hope to have a woodburner and solar panels. At least my gas fire and gas hob work when we have a power cut.

HotGrapefruit · 20/10/2026 14:46

Limeandfigs · 20/10/2026 13:57

The issue I have with the claims about the harms of woodburners is not because I believe burning wood is harmless but because I have not yet seen any conclusive evidence that it is as detrimental as some people like to make out.

In order to demonstrate in any real way what hazard woodburners cause you would first have to establish a base rate of a particular condition - dementia, lung disease, whatever it is you're concerned about - and then take into account ALL the other factors which contribute to those: smoking, how well ventilated your house is, how dry or damp your house is, how close you live to a main road, how much you drive, do you live in a high radon area, whether you use scented candles, whether you use pesticides or other harmful chemicals in your home or garden, your diet, your family history... And THEN, if you do manage to isolate the effects of woodburning from all of that, you have to adjust the data for what type of fuel is burnt in what kind of grate / stove, and how often it's used and cleaned.

People like to grab hold of headlines like "wood burners increase your risk of X by 60%!!!". 60% is a big number and sounds scary but it means nothing unless you know what base rate it's referring to.

An increase of 60% on a 1% base rate is 1.6% risk. I doubt many people would blink at that.

An increase of 60% on a 50% base rate brings us to 80% risk. That is an appreciable difference and would give lots of people pause.

In short, I accept that wood burners present a risk. I reject the notion that the risk is so great that they and they alone cause mass health issues to the population or will shorten my life noticeably (I am a non-smoker, living rurally, in a draughty house - others may vary) and that having one in the house is condemning your children to a lifetime of lung problems.

For me, as I'm sure for many, the slightly increased risk of some diseases is outweighed by the warm dry home (an argument could be made that a cold home would significantly limit life expectancy in any event).

I'm surprised people are not more aware of the research. There are some key basic facts here: https://www.mumsforlungs.org/our-campaigns/wood-burning

From a personal perspective, when one of my neighbours (in a town centre terrace with central heating etc) uses their wood burner, I get very asthmatic and need my inhalers. Within half an hour. It's immensely frustrating. I have spoken to them and they got it serviced and checked and it is compliant with all the most recent standards. But it still releases enough particulates to trigger my asthma, which is otherwise 100% not an issue.

Wood Burning — Mums for Lungs

When wood and smokeless fuels are burnt, tiny particles of soot and carbon are released that lodge deep in our bodies and make us sick. Burning wood indoors is a major source of particle pollution in the UK, and much more can be done about it.

https://www.mumsforlungs.org/our-campaigns/wood-burning

Jaxhog · 20/10/2026 15:00

I hate them. The only time I suffer breathing problems is when I have to breathe the smoke and the smell is awful. All of you saying there is no pollution may well be using properly seasoned wood. But most people don't, and that's when it becomes a problem.

Onemanpedrodiablo · 20/10/2026 15:02

Hyperion100 · 20/10/2026 10:00

Love ours. ClearSkies5 rated. Burn only kiln dried and 2 season logs.

We bought an air quality monitor for the lounge and when we're using the burner, theres barely any movement in air quality.

Its a whole other story when I'm cooking though. The air quality in my kitchen basically goes off the charts EVERY time cook anything!

Yep, second this. We have a modern log burner, and after reading pages of fear and anger on here last winter I bought an expensive air filter with ppm monitoring.

With the door closed there is zero decrease in air quality. With the door open to add wood it goes up a very small bit.

Cooking in the next room sends the meter off the scale, as does spraying 'air freshener' or furniture polish.

Bearing in mind I have installed the filter/monitor about 2 foot away from the log burner.

Statsquestion1 · 20/10/2026 15:02

1dayatatime · 20/10/2026 13:59

I would love to have solar panels (I have a really suitable south facing roof) and also to have double glazing but neither are allowed as the house is Grade 2 listed. I have insulated everything thing else I can and keep interior doors closed as well.

So instead I have two log burners running pretty much permanently, getting through a lot of logs which fortunately are free. But only to have most of the heat disappear through single glazed windows.

Bit nuts really.

If you have a large enough/bright enough garden you can pop them on the ground. They don’t have to be on a roof.

BatchCookBabe · 20/10/2026 15:03

Meadowfinch · 20/10/2026 14:35

yes. Not miles 😁

LOL. I wondered where you lived if you were 30 miles from your nearest neighbour?!

AuxArmesCitoyens · 20/10/2026 15:04

JoSFry · 20/10/2026 14:09

I think you’re making a reasonable point about the importance of distinguishing relative risk from absolute risk, but you’re also overlooking something fundamental.

The scientific evidence that fine particulate matter (PM2.5) is harmful to human health is already substantial.

We know that wood burning produces significant quantities of these particles, along with other harmful pollutants. This isn’t simply a case of researchers speculating about possible health effects.

You’re also suggesting that researchers need to eliminate every other possible contributing factor before they can establish a risk. That’s not how epidemiology works. Researchers routinely account for factors such as smoking, age, existing health conditions and other pollution sources. Otherwise, we would struggle to establish the health effects of almost any environmental exposure.

But the biggest missing point in your argument is that wood burning doesn’t just affect the person choosing to light the stove.

The smoke goes up the chimney and into the surrounding environment, where it can affect neighbours, including children, elderly people and those with respiratory conditions. They haven’t chosen to expose themselves to that pollution, and they don’t benefit from the warmth of your home.

And while you’re absolutely right that a 60% increase in risk needs context, a relatively small increase in individual risk can still translate into thousands of additional cases of illness when an entire population is exposed.

I also think it’s incorret to frame this as a choice between having a wood burner and living in a cold, damp house. Of course cold homes are harmful, but that doesn’t mean wood burning is the only way to heat a home.

Nobody needs to claim that every wood burner will cause dementia or condemn children to lifelong lung disease to recognise that wood smoke is a genuine public health concern.

The relevant question isn’t whether you personally will notice a reduction in your life expectancy. It’s whether routinely releasing harmful pollutants into the air, particularly when cleaner alternatives are available, is justified when other people have to breathe them too.

Your personal willingness to accept a risk doesn’t automatically make that risk acceptable for everyone around you.

The question is also what would otherwise happen to the wood being burned. Is it left to decay naturally (ideal) or hoofed into an industrial incinerator (not ideal)?

LibertyLily · 20/10/2026 15:05

SpiralSister · 20/10/2026 13:44

I do. And only burn seasoned wood. And am off grid bar electricity, which is frequently cut off during the winter.

Plenty of people living rurally for whom wood burners are a lifeline, and they are tired of being told that they are irresponsible arseholes.

I do kind of get the point about wood burners in cities. But having a real fire is deeply compelling for people - it’s part of what makes us human. I would hope the new legislation mitigates the risks, because people won’t stop having fires.

We were off-grid except electricity too...private water supply via a borehole we had drilled, plus a septic tank. Oil was so expensive we only used it for hot water and rarely put the heating on (only when we had guests!). Our wood burners were definitely our lifeline.

Gettingbysomehow · 20/10/2026 15:11

The twat up the road burns wet unseasoned wood and coal and its horrendous.i only ever burned well seasoned, very dry wood in my last home and it wasnt toxic. He burned old wood with lead paint on it and sappy tree wood. It properly messed up his chimney and there was smoke everywhere.

AuxArmesCitoyens · 20/10/2026 15:15

GasPanic · 20/10/2026 10:51

Yes and for thousands of years the average life expectancy was about 30.

Everyone was dying before they had a chance to suffer lung disease.

In the 50s about 4000 people died in the great smog.

That's exactly where we would be now if we didn't take steps to control air pollution.

Not really. Child mortality was very high, which lowered rhe average, but if you made it past your teens you'd have a decent chance of hitting your sixties.

KathleenDarleenDayKnight · 20/10/2026 15:18

Gettingbysomehow · 20/10/2026 15:11

The twat up the road burns wet unseasoned wood and coal and its horrendous.i only ever burned well seasoned, very dry wood in my last home and it wasnt toxic. He burned old wood with lead paint on it and sappy tree wood. It properly messed up his chimney and there was smoke everywhere.

What a twat, that's so antisocial.

I've checked outside and when mine is just lit, you can maybe see a tiny bit of white smoke, and once it's up to temperature there's nothing at all thanks to the secondary combustion.

My neighbour burns coal but he's far enough away that the hint I get is pleasant and atmospheric, plus I think that's his only heat source so I don't begrudge it at all.

KathleenDarleenDayKnight · 20/10/2026 15:20

AuxArmesCitoyens · 20/10/2026 15:15

Not really. Child mortality was very high, which lowered rhe average, but if you made it past your teens you'd have a decent chance of hitting your sixties.

Indeed. Infant mortality and then a spike for women due to maternal mortality during/just post childbirth, but other than that you had a good chance of becoming elderly.

ZZTopGuitarSolo · 20/10/2026 15:40

Statsquestion1 · 20/10/2026 15:02

If you have a large enough/bright enough garden you can pop them on the ground. They don’t have to be on a roof.

Have you actually done this?

I work for a company that installs solar, and ‘popping them on the ground’ involves building a ground mount then digging a trench for the wires. Not cheap…