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I feel like I'm competing with another woman for my own husband's attention, and I don't know if I'm being unreasonable

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Soofiaa · Yesterday 08:45

I'm writing this in a bit of a confused state, so bear with me haha. This post is for Some advice and vent

I'm 35F and my husband is also 35. I know this is a mostly UK-based forum, although we're actually living in Paris. We have two kids, a 5-year-old boy and a 3-year-old girl, and we both work. My husband works for a big US-based multinational company (can't really name it), and I own my own business. We're doing well financially, so that's not really an issue.

He's a good husband and father, and we're very much in love. We also have a good sex life, and I genuinely find him attractive. He's never really given me a reason to doubt him, which is probably why I'm struggling to understand why I feel this way.

I'm slim and in good shape, even after two pregnancies, although obviously that hasn't been easy. I run my own business, which takes up a lot of my time, and then there's the kids and everything that comes with being a mum. I manage it all pretty well, or at least I think I do. I don't even know what I'm trying to say here haha, but I think part of me sometimes wonders whether I'm enough for him.

Anyway, there's a woman at his workplace who's 29, single, works in management and also models. She comes from a wealthy family as well. My husband is senior to her in the company hierarchy, but they've been working together for around two years now.

I've met her three or four times, and she's always been perfectly nice to me, so I can't exactly say she's done anything openly inappropriate. My issue is that they're quite close. They work together every day, so obviously they need to communicate, and I understand that. But sometimes they go to dinner after work, travel together for work events, and she invites us to her brother's wedding or events at her home.

Another thing I've noticed is that whenever she's around me and the kids, she seems to take on this almost maternal role with my children. I don't know if that's just her being friendly, but it sometimes feels a little strange to me.

I've also seen photos of them standing quite close together, with his hands around her waist or them looking particularly comfortable with each other. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but it does make me wonder.

The thing that really got me thinking was when I looked at their chats. There were some random deleted messages, with normal, non cheating conversations before and after them. I didn't see anything that directly suggested cheating, but the deleted messages have been playing on my mind.

I honestly don't know what to make of their relationship. Maybe they're just close colleagues and friends, and I'm making something out of nothing. But even if nothing physical or romantic has happened, sometimes their closeness makes me feel like I'm competing with her.

And I hate that feeling.

She's younger, unmarried, has a successful career and models on the side. Meanwhile, I'm a mother of two, running a business and trying to balance everything. I know I'm doing well for myself, and I actually earn more than my husband, so this isn't about needing him financially or feeling dependent on him. I also have male and female clients through my work, and I get attention from men sometimes. But I know where my boundaries are, and I never turn that attention into something more.

That's partly why this bothers me. I don't think having friends of the opposite sex is wrong, and I'm not asking my husband to stop working with women. But sometimes I feel like whatever he has with this woman goes beyond an ordinary professional relationship, even though I can't point to anything concrete and say, 'This is definitely wrong.'

The frustrating part is that my husband gives me attention, makes me feel loved, and has never really made me feel neglected. I'm not someone who constantly needs reassurance, and I'm not a people pleaser in our relationship either.

Yet somehow, I still find myself comparing myself to her.

I love my husband, I'm attracted to him, and I don't want anybody else. I could easily entertain attention from other men if I wanted to, but I don't. I want my husband, and I want to feel secure in my marriage.

I don't want to start unnecessary arguments or become the stereotypical insecure wife who sees every woman as a threat. At the same time, I don't want to ignore something that's genuinely inappropriate just because I'm afraid of looking insecure.

I suppose I'm trying to figure out whether this is my own insecurity getting the better of me, or whether their level of closeness would make other people uncomfortable too.

OP posts:
Hanalam · Yesterday 10:46

I am so fed up with ChatGPT being used to write OPs.

piscofrisco · Yesterday 11:09

Well what’s the need to delete messages? Usually because they contain things that are inappropriate. Your Spidy senses seem to be tingling a bit here OP.

KittyAndPatch · Yesterday 11:11

Do you think that you would feel this way if your colleague's husband wasn't so attractive, OP?

piscofrisco · Yesterday 11:13

NattyPeachBalonz · Yesterday 09:12

The hands round her waist is not appropriate ,& would make me suspicious.
Also taking on a maternal role with your children & making you feel left out, who does she think she is?

Well she’s trying to show him what a great step mum
she’d make in fantasy land I would think. It’s not uncommon behaviour in this sort of situation. Grim though. From her and from him if he’s entertaining it.

Wineglasses · Yesterday 11:15

Except nothing in your post suggests you're in any way 'competing for your husband's attention' -- he's just the way he usually is, loving and attentive, and there's literally nothing you can point to other than some deleted texts messages you were inexcusably snooping on, and which could have been about anything. you have set up some kind of competition with this woman in your head.

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Yesterday 11:25

I wouldn’t like this at all. I always think operating a zero tolerance policy for nonsense is the best way to go. Stamp that shit out before he gets any ideas about being Casanova, and remind him of just how much he has to lose.

I’d show him the photo and point out the deleted chats and telling him that you don’t care if it’s completely innocent and you don’t care if he’d never dream of being inappropriate with her and you don’t care if she’s just the nicest, most innocent person in France. His behaviour is disrespectful, not only to you but to what you’ve built together, it’s making you feel uncomfortable and he needs to think about his next moves very carefully because he’s about an inch away from losing your trust, fucking up his whole life and there will be no second chances. Tell him you’re not accusing him of anything. It’s the behaviour he’s displayed right under your nose that you find disrespectful and that has to stop. Immediately. And then you watch closely.

It’s never Dave from accounts they build a bond with, is it?!

3luckystars · Yesterday 11:28

yeah trust your instincts, the deleted messages can be restored I would definitely do that asap.

Are you going to stay with him if you find out this is true? He needs to be told to back off her now as his marriage is on the line.

Calliopespa · Yesterday 11:33

piscofrisco · Yesterday 11:13

Well she’s trying to show him what a great step mum
she’d make in fantasy land I would think. It’s not uncommon behaviour in this sort of situation. Grim though. From her and from him if he’s entertaining it.

Yes, I didn't want to say that out loud as I am sure it will make the OP feel rather sick, but I felt sure that's what that is when I read it. Fantasy mummy without the stretch marks 🙄

It is one thing to be over-familiar with your DH and yet another to do that with your dc. If you felt uncomfortable, OP, I think it was more than natural kindness to them. You mentioned the phrase "left-out" that tells me this wasn't about her involving you or asking you about them in a genuinely interested way, but rather using them as a prop to showcase herself.

Skyflier · Yesterday 11:36

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Yesterday 11:25

I wouldn’t like this at all. I always think operating a zero tolerance policy for nonsense is the best way to go. Stamp that shit out before he gets any ideas about being Casanova, and remind him of just how much he has to lose.

I’d show him the photo and point out the deleted chats and telling him that you don’t care if it’s completely innocent and you don’t care if he’d never dream of being inappropriate with her and you don’t care if she’s just the nicest, most innocent person in France. His behaviour is disrespectful, not only to you but to what you’ve built together, it’s making you feel uncomfortable and he needs to think about his next moves very carefully because he’s about an inch away from losing your trust, fucking up his whole life and there will be no second chances. Tell him you’re not accusing him of anything. It’s the behaviour he’s displayed right under your nose that you find disrespectful and that has to stop. Immediately. And then you watch closely.

It’s never Dave from accounts they build a bond with, is it?!

This!!!

Fidgety31 · Yesterday 11:36

Male colleagues do not put their hands around a female colleagues waist - in normal working conditions .
that is an intimacy that indicates their relationship is not purely professional .

Calliopespa · Yesterday 11:41

His behaviour is disrespectful, not only to you but to what you’ve built together,

This statement from @TheFormerMrsTruelove is bang on OP.

The worst of it is if she is from a wealthy family, young and very attractive, chances are she is only muddying your doorstep to get a bit of leverage in her career, and it is unlikely to be anything she really has her heart in.

I expect there would be very limited circumstances in which she'd saddle herself with someone else's offspring. I don't know if that's reassuring in some ways (I guess it kind of is at some level) but it does make it in my eyes all the more insulting.

Onlytoolsandsauces · Yesterday 12:02

I have a Doctor colleague (attractive by conventional standards) who is fairly awkward around most women except me it seems. He will text me out of work, he is fantastic to work with (kind to patients, has a laugh, incredibly knowledgable) but there is never ever a professional boundary crossed I could only see him as a colleague and a very good one at that. If your DH is not doing anything to cross a line then it is an insecurity in you - which is understandable given she is younger, attractive etc but you need to question this.

Calliopespa · Yesterday 12:06

Onlytoolsandsauces · Yesterday 12:02

I have a Doctor colleague (attractive by conventional standards) who is fairly awkward around most women except me it seems. He will text me out of work, he is fantastic to work with (kind to patients, has a laugh, incredibly knowledgable) but there is never ever a professional boundary crossed I could only see him as a colleague and a very good one at that. If your DH is not doing anything to cross a line then it is an insecurity in you - which is understandable given she is younger, attractive etc but you need to question this.

In fairness to op, a hand around her waist in photos is a bit last generation in a business context...

Deleted messages don't look great either.

It isn't fair to make the colleague's attractiveness act as a gag on on the OP.

Pumpkinsaregrowingnicely · Yesterday 12:14

3 people in a marriage isn't appropriate..
Tell him that
He shows you those deleted messages or you are to assume the worst

LiuBei · Yesterday 12:57

MatildaTheCat · Yesterday 09:00

Photos of him with his hand around her waist are really inappropriate. He should remember that he is her senior and any allegations of misconduct are likely to be dealt with harshly.

Have you asked him about the deleted messages? That strongly suggests that they were at the very least, flirty or otherwise inappropriate.

I’d be uncomfortable too.

I really agree with this. I think there are reasons that are plausible (e.g., it's sometimes wise to delete all conversations that touch on legal topics, as you don't want them coming up in discovery) - but I think I have very few conversations where there are suddenly deleted messages. I would treat this as suspicious.

Freeme31 · Yesterday 13:07

What boundaries have you discussed with him regarding his relationship with her ?

Itwasthe90s · Yesterday 13:09

Trust your instincts

Whyarepeople · Yesterday 13:13

I have a different take on this, which is that if you can't trust your DH and and genuinely believe he would betray you, then the relationship is in serious trouble regardless as to whether he's being inappropriate with this woman or not. I find the posts saying that you need to remind him of what might go wrong really weird - if he fundamentally doesn't understand what marriage is about, what's the point in being married??

In your shoes I'd sit down with him and say 'DH, I'm feeling very insecure' and detail all the things you've said here, without accusing of him anything. At the moment this is your problem, not his. If he is dismissive or you get a sense he's lying then your instincts are probably right and he is untrustworthy, which is a major issue. If he's apologetic then it may be that he's a bit clueless and doesn't realise that the whole thing has gone out of bounds, in which case he should rein it in.

I would reiterate what others have said - in no way should you be in competition with other women for your DH's attention. That is madness - he should love you for you, no matter how many good looking women are around.

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Yesterday 13:56

I find the posts saying that you need to remind him of what might go wrong really weird - if he fundamentally doesn't understand what marriage is about, what's the point in being married??

Respectfully, I find your post a bit weird. His behaviour is inappropriate. Putting your hand on a colleague’s waist and deleting parts of your conversation with them is disrespectful to their marriage and needs to stop. By telling him that she feels insecure, she’d be implying that the problem lies with her, and not his behaviour. As if he hasn’t done anything wrong, it’s just his silly little wife feeling jealous over a younger model. That’s unacceptable.

He needs a warning. He’s playing with fire and his wife is strong and fierce and capable of supporting herself and she won’t tolerate any disrespect.

rainbowstardrops · Yesterday 14:02

The deleted messages would worry me. You clearly have a feeling about this. Do you feel as if you can bring this up with him?

weeat · Yesterday 14:05

the things that are not ok are hand round waist, deleted messages and dinner after work, if it’s just them. Colleagues you ‘get on well with’ is a brilliant positive thing…So, where does this leave you? If you have an open healthy relationship tell your husband. Tell him you’re not comfortable with it, and why. This is what a healthy couple would do…and his reaction SHOULD BE ‘of course, if it makes you feel like this I’ll back off/create distance’ Anything other, then it’s not great.

Whyarepeople · Yesterday 14:07

TheFormerMrsTruelove · Yesterday 13:56

I find the posts saying that you need to remind him of what might go wrong really weird - if he fundamentally doesn't understand what marriage is about, what's the point in being married??

Respectfully, I find your post a bit weird. His behaviour is inappropriate. Putting your hand on a colleague’s waist and deleting parts of your conversation with them is disrespectful to their marriage and needs to stop. By telling him that she feels insecure, she’d be implying that the problem lies with her, and not his behaviour. As if he hasn’t done anything wrong, it’s just his silly little wife feeling jealous over a younger model. That’s unacceptable.

He needs a warning. He’s playing with fire and his wife is strong and fierce and capable of supporting herself and she won’t tolerate any disrespect.

I see what you're saying, but if he genuinely doesn't believe he's done anything wrong, what then?

I find it odd that two people can be together a long time, have children and still have so little understanding of each other. It indicates other issues in the relationship IMO.

Sanguinello · Yesterday 14:12

Why does he need to go for dinner with her in the evening when he's been with her all day?

YankSplaining · Yesterday 14:15

Whatever may or may not be happening, he doesn’t need to be putting his hands around her waist or deleting messages between them. Those things give an appearance of impropriety even if there’s no actual impropriety.

It sounds like you and your husband have a good relationship; do you think it would be a good idea to tell him about your worries and see how he reacts? Even if you phrase it like, “This might sound silly, but…”

Pumpkinsaregrowingnicely · Yesterday 14:17

The fact she morphs into a dm role around your dc says she is invested in your dh and a possible future with all of them imo..