To think an apply turnover is not a bun?

[RikthePoet]

Look, it's all regional and cultural and there are a million names for a bread roll and no-one has the right to judge and everything...

But someone said on another thread that a fairy cake with no icing is a bun (I mean, no, but let's go with it) and a currant bun is part of a different related category - the "sticky bun".

And also included in sticky buns are... doughnuts and... apple turnovers.

So, sure, it's all relative and whatever but... an apple turnover is not a bun, right?

In West Yorkshire we call (or at least used to call) all fairy cakes buns. My mum would say she was going to bake a dozen buns. They would be in 'paper bun cases' and baked in a 'bun tin'. They might be decorated in different ways- iced and a cherry on top, chocolate, butterfly buns with buttercream, or plain on top with raisins in.

I never get this ignorance around regional names for things. Why do people claim to not know what people are on about when they use a regional term as if they live in a hole and have never met anyone or visited anywhere other than their own local area. I know a bap, barm, teacake, roll or bun all mean the same thing!

Grandma (would be 105 years old if she were still alive!) always had buns and iced buns ready to have with a cuppa.
A fairy cake has the cakey wings with jam and cream, you know where they sort of stick up?
I'm from Newcastle and we also have stottie cake which is a bread product, but different from a roll, it's bigger and heavier.

No it’s not a bun.

neither is a fairy cake.

a bun is bread like in consistency. Not pastry or cake.

Oh here we go found my other thread!
Let me repeat what I said on the last one:

No, I know they're not buns...we all know they're not buns, we're not heathens...but 'sticky bun' is shorthand for 'sickening, rich treat you may get from the bakery' which differentiates it from 'little bun' or 'bun' which is not especially treaty in my world.
We also have yeast buns and saffron buns which are more bread like, but still sweetened. They are referred to only by specific name.
'D'you want a bun?'
'D'you want a sticky bun?'
'D'you want a saffron bun?'
All quite different.

I concur with those who are saying that buns are made in a bun tin, or a bun case, and they are smaller than muffins. A bread bun is a bread bun. An iced bun has icing on. But a bun need not have icing, it is a small cake, often with dried fruit or nuts or angelica in or on.
A sticky bun does not technically include a turnover, no, I suppose a true sticky bun would be a cinnamon bun or Belgian bun or - dare I say - eclair?

The ones with wings were "butterfly cakes" for us, and were a type of fairy cake.

I just can’t see fairy cakes as buns.

For me buns have a specific doughy texture like a Danish or an iced bun or a sticky bun.

You have also maligned me here:

'But someone said on another thread that a fairy cake with no icing is a bun (I mean, no, but let's go with it) and a currant bun is part of a different related category - the "sticky bun".'

Currant buns are not sticky buns. A currant bun is like a rock cake, surely? But less granulated of surface.

Is an Eccles cake cake? Be serious

Americans call all sorts of hot fillings in buns sandwiches. In the states a cold sandwich in bread although it exists is not the norm

Yes, that's why the thread starts like it does.

But an apple turnover is not a bun, right?

Yeah, but they're Americans. It's like another country over there.

Eccles cake is a pastry.

Currant buns:

A turnover is a pastry not a bun.
A fairy cake could qualify as a bun and so could a rock cake. Small, plain and possibly iced.

No, not a bun.
It is a pastry, specifically a sweet hand pie of folded over puff pastry.

What type of rage bait is this? 😤

This thread is the literal embodiment of a MN bun fight. 😁

Exactly! I too feel that “bun” is about the make up of the item, so it needs to be bread like, rather than cake like. It’s a combination of texture and shape that makes it a bun.
The longer “iced finger buns” are still bread, so even through they are less bun in shape, they still count.
Fairy cakes are not buns because they are cakes.

Excuse me.

A source which couldn’t BE more credible and authentic - the 1968 Brownie Guide Handbook - taught me how to make my first fairy cakes, labelled thus.

I’ve heard all these terms, but tea cake..Whoa there Bessie! A tea cake has fruit in it.

Turnover is a pastry obviously, it’s made from
pastry… Never really understood where the distinction lies between a fairy cake and cupcake and then where the term bun comes into it. Some people use bun for all. I’d say fairy cakes are the little diddly ones you got at kids birthday parties in the 90s and cupcakes have loads of horrible sickly frosting on top. Then there’s muffins just to over complicate things.

Specifically, it's a pastry but it legitimately falls under a wider 'bun' category - if you said you were getting some 'buns' to take into work, that might include both pastries and cakes as well as things actually called buns, such as iced buns.

I do like ‘bun’ as a generic term though. Grab a bag of buns and have a picnic. I have eaten too many buns this year. Let’s go and get coffee and a bun. (Which could be banana bread, carrot cake or even a panini).

it’s sort of Enid Blyton jolly. What we need in these daunting times.

I've come across three meanings of 'tea cake' and there might be more.

1. Chocolate covered marshmallow abomination confection as sold in Marks and Spencer
2. Fruity sweet bun along the lines of a hot cross bun in texture
3. Very large bread roll

I discovered 3 when I ordered a bacon and egg sandwich on a 'tea cake' in Yorkshire, expecting some kind of normal-sized bread roll/bap/barm cake etc. and the 'tea cake' was the size of a small dinner plate 😆. I am the sort of person who bolts my food and a bacon and egg sandwich would be gone in 5 minutes, but it took me most of the morning to get through the 'tea cake', not that I was complaining!

@AtlasPine Now you’re being deliberately provocative with the introduction of panini into this debate methinks. 😉

I've lost respect for the Cambridge Dictionary. Its first definition of bun is 'a small, sweet, usually round cake', then it gives the example of cinnamon bun, which is a yeasted bread product.

@MadnessInMyMethod I share your disdain of the chocolate covered things and I completely forgot about them in the whole tea cake debacle.
I struggle with the whole bap, barm thing
its a roll, but I’m a Southerner.