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Mean Girls isn't for kids

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Ljcrow · Today 15:43

Went to see Mean Girls the musical recently, it was good fun but I was shocked by the amount of children there, many of whom looked as young as 7-8 years old, some potentially younger.
The musical includes references to sex, virginity, fingering, wide set vaginas and more. Plus plenty of swearing. Then there's all the talk of dieting and body image that, as adults, we can understand the subtleties of and appreciate the satire, but a child is much less likely to.
I've a 9 year old and there's absolutely no chance I'd take her. Why rush childhood?
Do parents not research these things or do they just not care?
Also, why isn't there an age rating for musicals as for films?
I'm 100% anticipating people responding to this with something about pearl clutching, minding my own business etc. I just think it's a shame we seem to want kids to grow up so fast these days. 🤷‍♀️

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Livpool · Today 17:41

pinck · Today 16:13

I have an 8-year-old son and I’ve been taking him to musicals since he was about 5. He’s seen Newsies, Cats, Hamilton, The Outsiders, Hadestown and plenty more. Most shows are “recommended” for older kids, but that doesn’t mean every child under 10 is going to disintegrate if they hear a joke that flies over their head. Also, let’s be real, I’d bet the people clutching their pearls over kids at Mean Girls watched Grease as children like the rest of us didand somehow survived not understanding half the adult references. There’s a difference between “I wouldn’t take my kid to that” and “other parents must not care.” Maybe they do care. Maybe they researched it and know their own kid better than a stranger in the audience doing a headcount like the musical theatre morality police. Childhood is not ruined because a kid saw a Broadway show with a few jokes they probably barely registered.

Completely agree! Grease is filthy and so knew all the songs from about the age of 9. I have survived 😂

Lovehearts82 · Today 17:44

Ive seen this show and I agree the 10+ guidance is too low. I saw complaints on our theatres socials pages after the show from someone who had left at the interval. It may have been the woman just to the side of us who left as we noticed a few empty seats during the 2nd part.
Also you forgot about the Lion Mascot who simulates sex on stage after the audience is told that Regina is inside the costume, so he starts bouncing his belly up and down off his crotch (as if she is inside it) and then grinds against it on the floor.
I enjoyed the show with my daughter who is now 16, even she thought it was a bit to old for some of the kids who were in there.

Ljcrow · Today 17:44

Provatewiddle · Today 17:38

what is a “regular mom” 😕

I wouldn’t sit there judging no. I wouldn’t take that age but mainly because I’d think that a 7 year old might get a bit bored after 2.5 hours of it

It's a Mean Girls reference. One of the girls' mothers doesn't enforce any boundaries which she thinks makes her a "cool mom" whereas in actual fact it very clearly does not.

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Provatewiddle · Today 17:45

I was pretty shocked at Six…. Miming a blow job?!

Provatewiddle · Today 17:46

Ljcrow · Today 17:44

It's a Mean Girls reference. One of the girls' mothers doesn't enforce any boundaries which she thinks makes her a "cool mom" whereas in actual fact it very clearly does not.

Yes I understand what a cool mum us

But you referred to a “regular mum”

we all have different boundaries and some may be cool with theatre shows that others aren’t, but stricter on something else than the other person

Different strokes for different folks I guess

also does it occur to you that they didn’t know how risqué it was? Until they were sitting there

Ljcrow · Today 17:50

Lovehearts82 · Today 17:44

Ive seen this show and I agree the 10+ guidance is too low. I saw complaints on our theatres socials pages after the show from someone who had left at the interval. It may have been the woman just to the side of us who left as we noticed a few empty seats during the 2nd part.
Also you forgot about the Lion Mascot who simulates sex on stage after the audience is told that Regina is inside the costume, so he starts bouncing his belly up and down off his crotch (as if she is inside it) and then grinds against it on the floor.
I enjoyed the show with my daughter who is now 16, even she thought it was a bit to old for some of the kids who were in there.

Yes, forgot about that! It's alright saying it'll go over the kids' heads but not all of it will and then what's even the point in taking them?
Plus all the talk of weight and skinnyness is potentially really damaging for a child who doesn't understand the satire.
Why not just take them to a child-friendly show and wait til they're older to bring them to stuff like this?
In response to other posters, yes I watched Grease as a kid but I can't remember how old I was, I doubt I was under 10. I also probably travelled in a car without wearing a seatbelt but that doesn't mean I need to let my daughter do the same thing.

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Ljcrow · Today 17:51

Provatewiddle · Today 17:46

Yes I understand what a cool mum us

But you referred to a “regular mum”

we all have different boundaries and some may be cool with theatre shows that others aren’t, but stricter on something else than the other person

Different strokes for different folks I guess

also does it occur to you that they didn’t know how risqué it was? Until they were sitting there

Edited

It's a direct quote from the film/show. I don't know how much clearer I can be.

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Ljcrow · Today 17:53

Provatewiddle · Today 17:46

Yes I understand what a cool mum us

But you referred to a “regular mum”

we all have different boundaries and some may be cool with theatre shows that others aren’t, but stricter on something else than the other person

Different strokes for different folks I guess

also does it occur to you that they didn’t know how risqué it was? Until they were sitting there

Edited

Yes it did occur, which is why I posed the question: do parents not research these things. Also why I posed the question: should musicals have age ratings.

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Bournetilly · Today 17:54

This was one of my favourite films as a child, I must have been about 10 so my siblings 7 and 8. We watched it ALL the time. I think it’s fine watching at the theatre at that age too.

Provatewiddle · Today 17:55

Ljcrow · Today 17:53

Yes it did occur, which is why I posed the question: do parents not research these things. Also why I posed the question: should musicals have age ratings.

They have age guidance

but just like films…. For example I allowed my 10 year olds to watch 12s,
my 13 year old to watch 15

and most definitely my 16 year old DS to watch 18s!

Needmorelego · Today 17:56

MarcusBrigstockesfringe · Today 17:39

Well, it saved me typing two longer words on a thread about musical theatre 😁

Yes but if the abbreviations aren't obvious it makes the conversation longer
.....🤔😁

Provatewiddle · Today 17:56

Did you go with friends @Ljcrow ? Or on your own?

Ljcrow · Today 18:00

Provatewiddle · Today 17:56

Did you go with friends @Ljcrow ? Or on your own?

A friend, who's also an adult. Why do you ask?

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Northerngirlabroad · Today 18:00

Ljcrow · Today 17:51

It's a direct quote from the film/show. I don't know how much clearer I can be.

I got it and it made my laugh, for what it's worth 🤣

ElizaSchuyler · Today 18:01

I wouldn’t take anyone younger than secondary school age to Mean Girls.

and no need to be snooty to the “MT mum”. Those of us entrenched in musical theatre have a pretty good idea of most shows, the content & their age appropriateness. The poster was trying to be helpful.

ElizaSchuyler · Today 18:03

I was recently at a performance of Something Rotten. That’s also definitely not a kids show. There were 4/5 year olds there crying and getting bored and watching very risqué scenes.

and I had no problem with my 8 year old watching Billy Elliot & my 15 year old watching Book of Mormon.

Deadleaves77 · Today 18:09

I watched it when it came out on film, so maybe 8 or 9. I definitely knew what virginity/tampon/wide set vagina/fingering/swearing was beforehand, and I think I understood most of the jokes. I dont think my childhood was scarred by this apparently early knowledge, I still played with toys at 12!

I think children understand more than you think. I've not seen the show so I dont know if its more racy than the film, but I dont think theres much in the film thats particularly damaging

Deadleaves77 · Today 18:10

I also dont think the plot of mean girls is a secret, its an incredibly popular film. parents presumably know their child and know if their capable of understanding the jokes/satire

Watchoutfortheslowaraf · Today 18:18

My daughter watched it at 10 (movie) and we had chats about bullying etc. we’re going to see it for her 11th bday in the theatre as she loves musical theatre. Shes seen Hamilton twice in the theatre, saw six a few years ago when she was about 8 or 9. She saw tick tick boom last year. I would obviously draw the line at Book of Mormon!

i think a lot of the inappropriate stuff would go over the heads of little ones but I do think the 10+ guidance is about right tor it.

pinck · Today 18:25

Ljcrow · Today 17:32

Of course they won't "disintegrate" but that doesn't mean it's okay. Why not let the innocence of childhood last a little longer? And me noticing lots of kids in the interval/at the end and being surprised by it, isn't me doing a head count now, is it?
Hey, if you think me saying it's unsuitable to take an under 10 to something that talks about losing your virginity to a tampon because you've got a wide set vagina and all the previously mentioned adult content makes me the "morality police" then so be it. You win second cool mom award of the thread!

Lol, so at what point exactly are you planning to let your daughter grow up? 😂 You do realize childhood doesn’t end the moment a child hears an adult joke or encounters a subject you personally find inappropriate, right? Theatre is one of my biggest interests so why on earth wouldn’t I share that with my son, especially when he genuinely enjoys it? I’m not dragging him to musicals against his will to win some imaginary cool mom competition. We’re enjoying something together and the idea that taking an eight-year-old to the theatre is somehow robbing him of his innocence is absolutely ridiculous. You’re welcome to decide what’s appropriate for your own children but perhaps extend that same courtesy to other parents.

Ljcrow · Today 18:27

Deadleaves77 · Today 18:09

I watched it when it came out on film, so maybe 8 or 9. I definitely knew what virginity/tampon/wide set vagina/fingering/swearing was beforehand, and I think I understood most of the jokes. I dont think my childhood was scarred by this apparently early knowledge, I still played with toys at 12!

I think children understand more than you think. I've not seen the show so I dont know if its more racy than the film, but I dont think theres much in the film thats particularly damaging

You understood fingering at the age of 9? Wow.

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Ljcrow · Today 18:30

pinck · Today 18:25

Lol, so at what point exactly are you planning to let your daughter grow up? 😂 You do realize childhood doesn’t end the moment a child hears an adult joke or encounters a subject you personally find inappropriate, right? Theatre is one of my biggest interests so why on earth wouldn’t I share that with my son, especially when he genuinely enjoys it? I’m not dragging him to musicals against his will to win some imaginary cool mom competition. We’re enjoying something together and the idea that taking an eight-year-old to the theatre is somehow robbing him of his innocence is absolutely ridiculous. You’re welcome to decide what’s appropriate for your own children but perhaps extend that same courtesy to other parents.

Well yeah, I'm not telling any parent what they can or can't do, I'm simply expressing my opinion on it. Just as you're expressing your opinion on my parenting by implying I'm not allowing my daughter to grow up.

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SleeplessRoads · Today 18:30

pinck · Today 16:13

I have an 8-year-old son and I’ve been taking him to musicals since he was about 5. He’s seen Newsies, Cats, Hamilton, The Outsiders, Hadestown and plenty more. Most shows are “recommended” for older kids, but that doesn’t mean every child under 10 is going to disintegrate if they hear a joke that flies over their head. Also, let’s be real, I’d bet the people clutching their pearls over kids at Mean Girls watched Grease as children like the rest of us didand somehow survived not understanding half the adult references. There’s a difference between “I wouldn’t take my kid to that” and “other parents must not care.” Maybe they do care. Maybe they researched it and know their own kid better than a stranger in the audience doing a headcount like the musical theatre morality police. Childhood is not ruined because a kid saw a Broadway show with a few jokes they probably barely registered.

Yep. I was watching Grease before I could talk and haven’t stopped in the 30 plus years since.

I’m a very sensible, slightly prudish, married accountant (but Sandy pre make over was always who I admired the most).

redchairsandgreen · Today 18:47

lollol,

the words mean girl are very triggering on mumsnet as are queen bee. You will attract the finest among them with your thread. 😎

YourFairCyanReader · Today 18:47

No I definitely wouldn't have taken a child under around 12 to see Mean Girls. I'd treat it as a 15 film really. Same with Heather's, Waitress, Book of Mormon, Next to Normal, ....