Christa Pikes is awake and ‘talking’

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She’s out of the coma and talking to her lawyers. Aibu to think the state of Tennessee can’t possibly try to do the lethal injection again ? Surely not? People on Reddit are suggesting she might need an amputation of one of her arms because of how caustic pentobarbital is.

Christa Pike 'conscious and speaking at hospital' after failed execution in US
https://news.sky.com/share/13595950

Don’t do that.

Did you genuinely miss the multiple times I’ve said the death penalty should apply to cases where there is no doubt? Or did you just fancy race baiting?

In the case of Wayne Broadhurst there were multiple eye witnesses, the horrific footage, DNA evidence, the stabbing of two other people beforehand, being caught with the murder weapon quite literally red handed, having to be tasered by police in the street, a dead man lying in road…. That kind of no doubt.

I already covered this in a previous comment. Please look back as I’m not repeating myself
over and over again anymore on this thread.

I would be careful what you say as you will be called blood thirsty, psycho and belittled for believing what you do.

But that’s just it (please don’t think I’m being arsey I’m not!) but whilst ever they are incarcerated, they have hope. That hope might be futile and it may never ever come to fruition but they still have hope. And ‘where there is hope there is life’. I would want all ‘hope’ extinguished. Personally.

You were asked to name a case where the death penalty should apply and chose one where the perpetrator was in the middle of a psychotic episode severe enough to warrant him being found unfit to stand trial.

It is not unusual that someone wondered why this case, a case where mens rea is impossibe to prove due to serious mental illness.

Even the US pretends to concern itself with mental illness and culpability when it comes to the death penalty.

It’s interesting that everyone accepts it’s ok for a violent murderer to forfeit a number of “rights” but draw the line at a right to life.

I believe some people do give up that right too. There is no benefit to wider society in keeping certain individuals alive.

Most rights can be reinstated if a wrongful conviction is later established.

The right to life, not so much.

That particular person also suggested his skin colour was relevant and I won’t have it implied!

I’d argue anyone who kills another person is “psychotic” or “mentally unwell” and I do think this excuse is now overused by defense solicitors.

My opinion on the matter doesn’t change.

Well obviously I don't think murder should be legalised. I don't think punishment by death should be legal either. Yes we have people in our society who do bad things. I don't think we should respond to that by doing bad things ourselves in return. If someone scratches my car, I would respond by reporting it rather than by scratching their car in return.

I think murder should result in an appropriately long sentence that protects society and prevents further harm. I don't think revenge or retribution is a healthy response to a clearly unhealthy crime, for all the reasons stated in the post I originally quoted.

It's impossible to create a society where zero crime happens. But that doesn't mean we can't try to improve society by making the state's response to crime less barbaric.

True. Which is why I hold the stance that I do on who should be eligible for the death penalty.

Several people have been wrongfully convicted this century, even with DNA evidence. and sentenced to death.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/data/innocence?dna-evidence=Yes

Some people think that being so mentally ill that you have no idea that you are committing a crime (ie have diminished responsibility) warrants treatment rather than punishment. But not you.

Out of interest, do you also believe that mothers who kill their children due to post-partum psychosis (another group of killings where there is often no doubt) should be given the death penalty with no right of appeal?

Yes I agree....I was just responding to previous poster

I agree. I don’t see why certain criminals are allowed to still live. My thoughts are psycho though and therefore have even been belittled by a couple of members on this thread because I tried to make a point of this. As I said to a previous poster they would not have the same thought process if this was the their family members torturer and murderer.

At 17 she was raped by a stranger.
Thats less than a year from the point she murdered

I'm not saying she's innocent, or she should be let off. But the boyfriend who was equally guilty never got a death sentence

🙄🤦🏼‍♀️ was meant to quote Evie.

Oh do shut up! You've misunderstood me completely so 🙄🙄 to you!

I agree that it is wrong that he didn’t get the same sentence as she did, but I believe it’s to do with the fact she didn’t take the plea deal and maybe thought she would get off lighter by doing this as they would have to prove her guilt and drag the families through the gruesome details of what she had done to her victim.

You said not another one. That’s what the face was too.

Why do supporters of the death penalty seem to think that those of us who are against it are somehow advocating for murderers, rapists, child abusers etc. I'm not advocating for people who have committed horrendous crimes, I don't think anyone on this thread has been. I just don't think the death penalty is justified under any circumstances, that doesn't mean I think murderers should face no consequences.

I've no idea what you mean by that.

I never accused anyone on this thread of thinking that her childhood abuse should excuse her...so no idea why I got a "not another one". I agree that she has mitigating circumstances but I'm also allowed to say what I said without being bullied. Not please leave me alone and stop ruining my evening. Some people on MN seem to like to argue for the sake of arguing and it's very unkind, pathetic and tiresome. I'm unwatching this thread so don't bother replying as I wont be reading it

She didn't take the plea deal because she was told not to.

It's much, much more expensive. Christa Pike has had 30 years of ongoing legal battles.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/costs

Actual diagnosis’s of mental illness off course comes into play with certain crimes because mental illness is real and people recognise it more now. Hence diminished responsibility.

I don’t really care what your opinion is. You presumably live in the UK so don’t have to worry about the death penalty.

I didn’t sentence her to death. Nor did I mess up her lethal injection. I personally don’t give a hoot about her - I have sympathy for her victim and her family.

She has had 30 years in prison so far- her victim didn’t get to even live to 30.

Bloodthirsty ? As I said I couldn’t care for your opinion.