Christa Pikes is awake and ‘talking’

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She’s out of the coma and talking to her lawyers. Aibu to think the state of Tennessee can’t possibly try to do the lethal injection again ? Surely not? People on Reddit are suggesting she might need an amputation of one of her arms because of how caustic pentobarbital is.

Christa Pike 'conscious and speaking at hospital' after failed execution in US
https://news.sky.com/share/13595950

If you had read my previous comments you’d understand my stance on this.

@Fortuityto the ‘yet you have admitted that she didn’t know she would be tortured’ off course she didn’t because death penalty means lethal injection which means death but she survived it. As I said how could she have seen that happening she isn’t mystic Meg.

Seen how much lawyers cost?

30 years of legal appeals, plus death row is a very expensive facility.

at the end of which if the death sentence is successfully argued against they get life anyway.

so compare the cost of life in prison, vs 30 years of higher cost prison, plus legal fees, court fees, the cost of the execution itself.

The current science around pedophilia points towards it being a biological factor, linked to sexuality.

Being attracted to children, as abhorrent as it is to those of us who are not afflicted, is not a crime and should not be treated as one. Acting on it is very much a crime, and it should be punished accordingly.

As for the rest of your points, most not all of those people did have bad childhoods, and like Pike, this should be taken into account, along with their age and the circumstances of the crime, when determining their punishment and whether they can or should be rehabilitated and released.

No one is saying that anyone should "get away" with committing heinous crimes because of childhood trauma and abuse.

Try making the effort of reading the post properly and in context.

Obviously not, but that is the logical conclusion of what you posted.

A biological factor? This is the first time I have heard of this, even though I did think this. Is it linked to mental health?

We're not all clones of each other, and I am prepared to guarantee that you cannot produce any example of someone who has had a comparable childhood - because no-one's experience is the same. Couple that childhood with the fact that the person concerned was already damaged by foetal alcohol poisoning, and the comparison is even less valid.

For the gazillionth time, no one is saying it does. She should and has been punished and should remain locked up.

That was in response to a post saying

Im not deflecting i am trying to argue that not everyone who has had bad childhood becomes a murderer.

How many innocent people being put to death is acceptable these days ?

I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I take it you are satisfied that every prisoner in a UK jail right now (we can take the snark over early releases as read) is guilty ?

So why are we wasting money with appeal and supreme courts. Surely we could abolish them, and build some luxury flats in their place.

Ffs, it's absolutely ridiculous. She needed a massive, massive dose, not to be brought round again.

Yes I agree with mitigating factors of course

In 50 years time, the lawyers and scientists will probably regard current forensics as shit too. Improvements can always be made. You can't just declare that modern forensics are good enough and there will never be mistakes.

"Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord. "So basically, if you believe in God, then best to leave it up to him/her.

But again, I think I've only seen one person on this thread suggesting that she should be freed. The rest, me included, are saying she should probably go back to prison because she probably isn't safe to be released. Nothing justifies execution.

She's not in China, you know.

I agree with everyone not being the same, I also know we are not clones and we all deal with things differently.

Off course it is awful what she went through and I can’t imagine how horrific it was being her as a child and throughout until the moment she committed the crime.

It's anything but a perfect system, but at least if someone is found to have been wrongly convicted and imprisoned they can be released, supported in their return to society, and compensated. None of that is possible if they are dead.

True. One suspects they would not have bungled the execution.

Just want if you have been on dialysis a kidney laced with pentobarbital. For that reason, executed convict's organs are not harvested in the US.

Just want you need, if you have been on dialysis for several years, a new kidney laced with pentobarbital. For that reason, executed convict's organs are not harvested in the US.

I wonder if Pike's lawyers could argue that this case demonstrates that the use of pentobarbital is also a cruel and unusual punishment, at least unless the state can guarantee (a) that the drugs have been sourced recently from a reputable drugs supplier and (b) that the proposed recipient is in normal health with no issues with their blood clotting, vein availability etc?

Seems a tad of an oversight, really. I am sure there are a myriad of ways of dispatching someone to keep their flesh in tip top condition.

Sounds like we need to offer a prize, to leverage all that is a good and holy in capitalism.